I did acknowledge your one small uninteresting point about the word murder. I am "glossing over" your justification chain because while it is [unfortunately] l

I did acknowledge your one small uninteresting point about the word murder. I am "glossing over" your justification chain because while it is [unfortunately] legally relevant, it fails to capture the pertinent details of the situations. Specifically, the ICE officers in question seemed eager to embrace these justifications for how they can summarily execute people who are frustrating them rather than engaging in deescalation and restraint expected of supposed "public servants". And no, this dynamic certainly did not start with Trump (eg the multitude of incidents of local police officers summarily executing Blacks). But like everything with Trump it's been cranked to 11. But sure, "there is no discussion to be had". That was basically the warning of my original comment, about your original comment full of leading questions, to others. In general I do understand there are plenty of people in other countries chanting "Death to America(ns)!" who will not be reasoned with. Easy to do when it's not your own society on the line.