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That is a huge red-flag. While I understand that they will do some policing/censoring, this is way beyond what I would consider acceptable. They can have a dif
by jamescontrol 5mo ago
That is a huge red-flag. While I understand that they will do some policing/censoring, this is way beyond what I would consider acceptable.
They can have a different price plan for agentic stuff, but these things where they “accidentally” whoops match on specific keywords and trigger extra usage charges is giving a evil-microsoft-vibe
- zuzululu 5mo agoThis is fascinating because it makes me think OpenClaw is something of a trojan horse aimed at draining Anthropic's resources. For them to go to this length to stop OpenClaw usage raises some interesting questions and a precedent for closed model vendors.
- Yajirobe 5mo agoWhy do they treat is as a trojan horse? More OpenClaw usage means more Claude usage. Isn't more Claude usage what Anthropic wants?
- jamwil 5mo agoNot when their customers are paying a flat rate subscription.
- weird-eye-issue 5mo agoIs flat rate the best way to describe it when there's actually a few different tiers and each one has hard coded rate limits?
- jamwil 5mo agoWithin each tier, each marginal token is an expense with no marginal revenue to offset. So yes. The platonic ideal for any subscription business model is zero usage.
- weird-eye-issue 5mo agoI run an AI subscription business and we have our pricing set in a way that we make an acceptable profit even if all users were to max out their given usage
- jamwil 5mo agoOf course. My point is that your profit still decreases as you approach max usage, ceteris parabis. It may be acceptable but it is less. Your costs are variable and your revenue is fixed (at least on a unit basis).
- weird-eye-issue 5mo agoNo, not for us because we have a lot of different tiers and so as their usage increases they buy bigger and bigger plans.
- gnulinux 5mo agoCalling current AI subscription services (especially Claude) "flat rate" (implying infinite access for a flat fee) is misleading. There are pretty strict hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly limits. So there is a pretty easy-to-reach limit for all these subscriptions. They're hardly unlimited, and given how easy it is to run into limits, it's likely not super complicated/low-stddev for an accounting department to figure out avg cost per customer.
- lxe 5mo agoWhat I don't quite understand is why would one of the most advanced AI labs use rudimentary broken text match heuristics to track and detect abuse. Why not run simple inference on actual turns out of band, and if abuse is detected, adjust the quotas semi-retroactively.
- lelanthran 5mo ago> What I don't quite understand is why would one of the most advanced AI labs use rudimentary broken text match heuristics to track and detect abuse. It's vibe-coded. What's hard about understanding that?
- emp17344 5mo agoThey’re idiots who hacked together a shockingly useful tool by leveraging the billions of dollars they received from shamelessly hyping up chatbots. The Claude Code leak makes this very clear.
- ajam1507 5mo agoPretty wild to say that the company with one of the best models (arguably the best) is a bunch of idiots.
- dbbk 5mo agoWhy is this a red flag? OpenClaw is basically automated abuse of their subscription plans. This is entirely reasonable.
- nijave 5mo agoSilently changing the billing mode based on keyword presence in free text is a garbage implementation