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If car manufacturers cannot bring car related deaths to zero, they too should no longer be legitimate companies.

by esyir 5mo ago

lokar 5mo ago
A better comparison would be that if a car company can’t meet preexisting crash/safety standards, they need to shut down. These are pretty clear laws established by a democratic government with a pretty good record for rule of law.
- esyir 5mo ago
  Sure, then they can go demand said standards for social media platforms including expected amount per N post, just as car companies are not expected to have car fatality rates be 0. The fact is that simple scale means that there will always be something, no matter how abhorrent. Small scale doesn't change this, it just concentrates it.
2ndorderthought 5mo ago
Do car companies sell cars without air bags, or seat belts? What about cars that haven't been crash tested? What happens to them if they don't do this do you think? Would you drive a car optimized for profit that didn't have those safety features? How about on a highway? Daily?
- esyir 5mo ago
  We're talking about CSAM right? Which all platforms remove proactively, build models to remove and essentially always respond to when informed. Demanding some perfect immediate magic response there is the equivalent of asking car manufacturers to prevent all deaths.
  - 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
    Do they remove it and respond really though? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-for-grok-generated-csam-no-fixes-announced/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f... Here it's said that it's the users fault. I disagree. Completely. Most of these companies, staying on topic many of these companies have laid off the employees who tried to prevent things like this, https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/22/meta-layoffs-ai.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/22/meta-layoffs-ai.html https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-ai-safety-institute-will-be-gutted-axios-reports/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-ai-safety-institute-will-be... https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/dqd54wpEfjKJsJBk6/xai-s-grok-4-has-no-meaningful-safety-guardrails https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/dqd54wpEfjKJsJBk6/xai-s-grok... The list of not even trying anymore goes on and on. Mechahitler was also fun
_DeadFred_ 5mo ago
When FORD dngaf with the Pinto and Corsair( like tech companies do not gaf), they deservedly got this same level of contempt/demand for oversite. A dude named Ralph Nader went on a huge crusade about it. And they got a ton more oversite, safety requirements, etc put on them. So yes, yes, let's do like we did with cars.
- genewitch 5mo ago
  I voted for Ralph Nader a few times, until he stopped appearing on ballots for whatever reason. For this reason, and many others. I don't remember any negative press about him, either. maybe he got out when mudslinging became defacto in elections.

If car manufacturers cannot bring car related deaths to zero, they too should no longer be legitimate companies.

by esyir 5mo ago

If car manufacturers cannot bring car related deaths to zero, they too should no longer be legitimate companies.

lokar 5mo ago

A better comparison would be that if a car company can’t meet preexisting crash/safety standards, they need to shut down. These are pretty clear laws established by a democratic government with a pretty good record for rule of law.

esyir 5mo ago
Sure, then they can go demand said standards for social media platforms including expected amount per N post, just as car companies are not expected to have car fatality rates be 0. The fact is that simple scale means that there will always be something, no matter how abhorrent. Small scale doesn't change this, it just concentrates it.

2ndorderthought 5mo ago

Do car companies sell cars without air bags, or seat belts? What about cars that haven't been crash tested? What happens to them if they don't do this do you think? Would you drive a car optimized for profit that didn't have those safety features? How about on a highway? Daily?

esyir 5mo ago
We're talking about CSAM right? Which all platforms remove proactively, build models to remove and essentially always respond to when informed. Demanding some perfect immediate magic response there is the equivalent of asking car manufacturers to prevent all deaths.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
  Do they remove it and respond really though? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-for-grok-generated-csam-no-fixes-announced/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f... Here it's said that it's the users fault. I disagree. Completely. Most of these companies, staying on topic many of these companies have laid off the employees who tried to prevent things like this, https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/22/meta-layoffs-ai.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/22/meta-layoffs-ai.html https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-ai-safety-institute-will-be-gutted-axios-reports/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-ai-safety-institute-will-be... https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/dqd54wpEfjKJsJBk6/xai-s-grok-4-has-no-meaningful-safety-guardrails https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/dqd54wpEfjKJsJBk6/xai-s-grok... The list of not even trying anymore goes on and on. Mechahitler was also fun

_DeadFred_ 5mo ago

When FORD dngaf with the Pinto and Corsair( like tech companies do not gaf), they deservedly got this same level of contempt/demand for oversite. A dude named Ralph Nader went on a huge crusade about it. And they got a ton more oversite, safety requirements, etc put on them. So yes, yes, let's do like we did with cars.

genewitch 5mo ago
I voted for Ralph Nader a few times, until he stopped appearing on ballots for whatever reason. For this reason, and many others. I don't remember any negative press about him, either. maybe he got out when mudslinging became defacto in elections.