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Get any modern undergraduate Intro Biology textbook like Campbell. These are fantastic books: beautifully illustrated and clearly written, and way better than p

• mncharity 5mo ago
  > Get any modern undergraduate Intro Biology textbook [...] These are fantastic books Curious how perspectives vary. I would have said there's basically nothing available, textbooks being horribly wretched. I don't know of anything which takes a "bottom up", rough quantitative, engineering first-principles intro to cell bio, let alone to biology. No whys and hows of building close to thermal noise energy levels. No focus on pervasive multi-scale cross-cutting strategies for localization and compartmentalization. No energy budgets, not feel for reasonable numbers, no... sigh. When you see a nifty foundational insight mentioned in passing in a research talk, it's a really good bet it won't be in textbooks any year soon. One of the causal threads leading up to TFA, the Harvard bionumbers database, was born out of someone's 'it's absurdly hard to find numbers'. Chatting with a cell bio tome publisher years ago, about what absurdly implausible resources would be needed to do something transformatively better, the snark for "but it has 100 authors!" was "nifty - and how many for the second page?". Maybe now with AI we can start nibbling away at this faster.
  • nataril 5mo ago
    > engineering first-principles intro to cell bio Very true, these books are qualitative. There's a bit of basic math around delta-G for reactions and Chi-sq tests for genetic associations, but the conventional undergraduate introductory biology course is 99% descriptive. There are reasonable arguments for taking that approach. These courses are foundations for subsequent study, with the intended outcome that students have a broad but shallow understanding of core basic ideas. Lots of biology makes intuitive, mechanistic, and visual sense, much like introductory computer science and introductory chemistry. Obviously applied math plays a key role in biology but it tends to address specific needs like protein structure prediction, dynamic modeling of transcription/translation and metabolism, inferring phylogeny, high-throughput 'omics analysis, network simulation of epidemic outbreaks, and so on. These are great to study, but without the broader context the understanding would be relatively fragmented, lacking the big picture. Rereading OP's question: > good modern starting points to someone who would want to learn more about how living beings work (from bottom up)? I interpret that as wanting a general understanding, starting with chemistry and working upwards towards evolution and populations. That's all in the standard two-semester introductory course, hence my book recommendation. If that's wrong and OP wants a math-centric approach, here are a few gems: Physical Biology of the Cell, Phillips, et. al An Introduction to Systems Biology, Alon Evolutionary Dynamics, Nowack
    • mncharity 5mo ago
      First, thank you for the comment. It prompted fruitful reflection. I note LLMs as nifty for this. For me, success means "robust structural intuition". Perhaps frame it as understanding that's robust to adversarial noise? To fuzzing testing? If you fuzz content, changing numbers, inserting negations and lies, how extreme before there's a "wait, that doesn't make sense"? Merely quantitative isn't sufficient. An Ideal Gas Law chapter problem, with numbers for solid Argon - mindless plug-and-chug - is not this success. But a sense of reasonable values, yes. Contrast the first-tier med student, asked for red blood cell size, who failing to recall it as a factoid, is quantitatively lost, retreating to "really really small". Similarly, "descriptive" can be deep structure and constraints of a domain, focused on building structural intuition, or at least trying for it, or an embrace of "stamp collecting" focused on regurgitation. I nod to "foundations for subsequent study, with the intended outcome that students have a broad but shallow understanding of core basic ideas. Lots of biology makes intuitive, mechanistic, and visual sense, much like [...] introductory chemistry. [...] without the broader context the understanding would be relatively fragmented, lacking the big picture." But then contrast it with content presenting a not-broad and quite-shallow take, that pervasively fails to engage with the domain's core structure. And then, even on its own shallow terms, still fails outcome-wise: First-tier institution students, coming to intro genetics from intro bio, lacking even a firm grasp of central dogma? Stoichiometry students not even thinking of atoms as real physical objects? So I see "wonderful books" and think "wat?!? - how about profoundly and pervasively dysfunctionally unhelpful books?". Perhaps at root, there might be different visions of what a "big picture map" best looks like??? Maybe picture a human surface map, vs a USGS topography and geology one. Do details clarify by exposing patterns, or obscure as clutter? Does underlying structure? Do year-to-year research insights provide opportunity and motivation for frequent rewrites, or is there relative stability and slow evolution? Are labels and vocabulary treated as foundational, or as relatively unimportant? If you haven't seen part of the map, how important is being able to sketch it in plausibly? If fragmented into puzzle pieces, how important is being able to fit them together? How important is seeing why things are the way they are? Maybe the contrast between a slim tourist guidebook, versus walking in conversation with someone who deeply understands the history and society and structure of a city? Both are accessible experiences. Conversation that's numerate will be richer than non. But while the guidebook can provide a bit of orientation, it's not even trying to leave you insightful and deeply clued in. Thanks again. I'd not thought of the fuzzing analogy before.