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"open source" show me.

jasonlotito 5mo ago
Apache 2.0 License. Did you not click the link to the project? They even list it in the article. > Apache 2.0 across the board, so commercial use is clean. Did you just stop when you saw open source and come post this here because you couldn't be bothered to... look at the project and see it's cleanly and clearly listed. Edit: Like. I get it. It's fine to question open source. But this isn't hidden. It's repeated and made clear multiple times. They even link to the license: https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 It wasn't hidden, it wasn't in some weird, out-of-the-way place. In fact, I found it so easily that I genuinely questioned whether it was real because of your comment. Like, why would anyone post what you posted if it was this easy to find? NOPE! It was right there.
- speedgoose 5mo ago
  If I give you an amd64 elf binary under Apache2 license, is it open source?
  - EagnaIonat 5mo ago
    Can you clarify what you mean? If you check HF you will see its Apache2 and the datasets were also permissive. It's one of the few models on the market where the creator indemnifies it against copyright claims. https://research.ibm.com/blog/granite-ethical-ai https://research.ibm.com/blog/granite-ethical-ai
    - speedgoose 5mo ago
      Oh sorry. Do we have the sources like Nvidia's Nemotron?
      - EagnaIonat 5mo ago
        You could have found in 5 seconds. The weights are also open sourced as well. https://github.com/ibm-granite https://github.com/ibm-granite
        speedgoose 5mo ago
        Maybe I suck but I didn’t find that in 5 seconds. Or with more time. I meant the full training datasets and the complete recipes to make the models.
        EagnaIonat 5mo ago
        The training datasets are listed there and are all open source. > the complete recipes to make the models. You mean the weights which most companies don't release. Again you can find from that link.
        speedgoose 5mo ago
        Where is the list? No I didn't mean the weights, but the source code to make the weights.
        EagnaIonat 5mo ago
        I'd like to assume you are not trolling and just want everything handed to you. The granite site covers everything you keep asking for. Granite is made using lm-engine and the details are there. Without the weights you are not going to be able to build to the same level of accuracy without some serious work.
        speedgoose 5mo ago
        I want open source to stay a label for actual open source software. That means handing everything to me yes.
        robotmaxtron 5mo ago
    - robotmaxtron 5mo ago
      if I can't reproduce the artifact, is it really open source?
      - postalrat 5mo ago
        If IBM themselves can't reproduce the artifact do they have the source?
        robotmaxtron 5mo ago
        I guess not
  - nickpsecurity 5mo ago
    Open source for ML is more like Allen Institute's Olmo models. https://allenai.org/olmo https://allenai.org/olmo I'm just giving it as an example. I haven't looked at Granite's repos.

Apache 2.0 License. Did you not click the link to the project? They even list it in the article. > Apache 2.0 across the board, so commercial use is clean. Did you just stop when you saw open source and come post this here because you couldn't be bothered to... look at the project and see it's cleanly and clearly listed. Edit: Like. I get it. It's fine to question open source. But this isn't hidden. It's repeated and made clear multiple times. They even link to the license: https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 https://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 It wasn't hidden, it wasn't in some weird, out-of-the-way place. In fact, I found it so easily that I genuinely questioned whether it was real because of your comment. Like, why would anyone post what you posted if it was this easy to find? NOPE! It was right there.

speedgoose 5mo ago
If I give you an amd64 elf binary under Apache2 license, is it open source?
- EagnaIonat 5mo ago
  Can you clarify what you mean? If you check HF you will see its Apache2 and the datasets were also permissive. It's one of the few models on the market where the creator indemnifies it against copyright claims. https://research.ibm.com/blog/granite-ethical-ai https://research.ibm.com/blog/granite-ethical-ai
  - speedgoose 5mo ago
    Oh sorry. Do we have the sources like Nvidia's Nemotron?
    - EagnaIonat 5mo ago
      You could have found in 5 seconds. The weights are also open sourced as well. https://github.com/ibm-granite https://github.com/ibm-granite
      - speedgoose 5mo ago
        Maybe I suck but I didn’t find that in 5 seconds. Or with more time. I meant the full training datasets and the complete recipes to make the models.
        EagnaIonat 5mo ago
        The training datasets are listed there and are all open source. > the complete recipes to make the models. You mean the weights which most companies don't release. Again you can find from that link.
        speedgoose 5mo ago
        Where is the list? No I didn't mean the weights, but the source code to make the weights.
        EagnaIonat 5mo ago
        I'd like to assume you are not trolling and just want everything handed to you. The granite site covers everything you keep asking for. Granite is made using lm-engine and the details are there. Without the weights you are not going to be able to build to the same level of accuracy without some serious work.
        speedgoose 5mo ago
        I want open source to stay a label for actual open source software. That means handing everything to me yes.
        robotmaxtron 5mo ago
  - robotmaxtron 5mo ago
    if I can't reproduce the artifact, is it really open source?
    - postalrat 5mo ago
      If IBM themselves can't reproduce the artifact do they have the source?
      - robotmaxtron 5mo ago
        I guess not
- nickpsecurity 5mo ago
  Open source for ML is more like Allen Institute's Olmo models. https://allenai.org/olmo https://allenai.org/olmo I'm just giving it as an example. I haven't looked at Granite's repos.