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Allow me to rephrase: If the OS doesn’t provide X, the end user should have no alternative for X. I use both macOS and Pop!OS. The latter doesn't include an em

Allow me to rephrase: If the OS doesn’t provide X, the end user should have no alternative for X. I use both macOS and Pop!OS. The latter doesn't include an emoji picker by default, so I'm precluded from using a 3rd-party picker? There is no issue as long as a 3rd-party app doesn't override built-in functionality. If you don't want it, it is easy to disable.

fg137 5mo ago
I mean, Firefox is 3rd party, so.
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Wowfunhappy 5mo ago
Especially on a Linux distro, you could install a 3rd-party package that adds an emoji picker system-wide, as opposed to in one app. If every app brings its own emoji picker, then you end up with a different interface everywhere.
- LatencyKills 5mo ago
  I understand that, but as someone who was an engineer at both Microsoft and Apple, I see absolutely no problem with 3rd-parties adding useful features. As I said, as long as 3rd parties aren't overriding the built-in functionality by default (e.g., using the same keyboard shortcuts), there's no problem. 99% of FF users will probably never even know it has its own picker.
  - Wowfunhappy 5mo ago
    As a user of these OS's, I wish you would have a problem with this. I want text input to work the same way across every app. It is of course great for third parties to add features, they should just work system wide. If text entry looks different in every app, that sucks.
    - LatencyKills 5mo ago
      Neither MS nor Apple has the best track record of building full-featured utility tools (which is why there are thousands of incredibly useful 3rd-party utility applications). I wish end-users would understand that giving them a choice is more important than forcing them to use only OS-provided functionality. You aren't required to use anything that you don't like. The fact that you are complaining about a non-problem is odd. Lastly, incremental improvements generally come from outside the OS. If FF ends up adding something novel/interesting to their emoji picker, the major OS's will probably adopt it at some point. That would never happen in your world, where only the biggest companies get to innovate.
- bob001 5mo ago
  > then you end up with a different interface everywhere. This whole post is about someone being upset that Firefox finally did support the system level interface and shortcut. And you're upset about that while asking for consistent interfaces. Some people can just never be happy I guess.
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    Just to put the record straight, I'm (author of the post) not upset, mad or sad about anything, it is what it is, I'm sure some like it, others don't. I'm glad I have the option to turn it off, like most stuff I don't like in Firefox, it tends to be easy to get rid of it. I shared it as a blog post as I've already had two people asking me privately if I know how to get rid of it, as I'm the reason they use 1Password in the first place, not because "I got so upset I couldn't contain it" or something like that. Surely there are more wondering it then. I also don't think parent seem upset either, but I won't attempt to speak for them. But arguing for/against a position doesn't mean they aren't happy or that they are upset, conflicting views and perspectives is normal, even within the same person sometimes :)

fg137 5mo ago

I mean, Firefox is 3rd party, so.

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Wowfunhappy 5mo ago

Especially on a Linux distro, you could install a 3rd-party package that adds an emoji picker system-wide, as opposed to in one app. If every app brings its own emoji picker, then you end up with a different interface everywhere.

LatencyKills 5mo ago
I understand that, but as someone who was an engineer at both Microsoft and Apple, I see absolutely no problem with 3rd-parties adding useful features. As I said, as long as 3rd parties aren't overriding the built-in functionality by default (e.g., using the same keyboard shortcuts), there's no problem. 99% of FF users will probably never even know it has its own picker.
- Wowfunhappy 5mo ago
  As a user of these OS's, I wish you would have a problem with this. I want text input to work the same way across every app. It is of course great for third parties to add features, they should just work system wide. If text entry looks different in every app, that sucks.
  - LatencyKills 5mo ago
    Neither MS nor Apple has the best track record of building full-featured utility tools (which is why there are thousands of incredibly useful 3rd-party utility applications). I wish end-users would understand that giving them a choice is more important than forcing them to use only OS-provided functionality. You aren't required to use anything that you don't like. The fact that you are complaining about a non-problem is odd. Lastly, incremental improvements generally come from outside the OS. If FF ends up adding something novel/interesting to their emoji picker, the major OS's will probably adopt it at some point. That would never happen in your world, where only the biggest companies get to innovate.
bob001 5mo ago
> then you end up with a different interface everywhere. This whole post is about someone being upset that Firefox finally did support the system level interface and shortcut. And you're upset about that while asking for consistent interfaces. Some people can just never be happy I guess.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  Just to put the record straight, I'm (author of the post) not upset, mad or sad about anything, it is what it is, I'm sure some like it, others don't. I'm glad I have the option to turn it off, like most stuff I don't like in Firefox, it tends to be easy to get rid of it. I shared it as a blog post as I've already had two people asking me privately if I know how to get rid of it, as I'm the reason they use 1Password in the first place, not because "I got so upset I couldn't contain it" or something like that. Surely there are more wondering it then. I also don't think parent seem upset either, but I won't attempt to speak for them. But arguing for/against a position doesn't mean they aren't happy or that they are upset, conflicting views and perspectives is normal, even within the same person sometimes :)