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Browsers: Chrome (proposed this Prompt API) Operating Systems: Windows (built-in Copilot), MacOS, iOS (Apple Intelligence) So it's >90% desktop browser and OS

Browsers: Chrome (proposed this Prompt API) Operating Systems: Windows (built-in Copilot), MacOS, iOS (Apple Intelligence) So it's >90% desktop browser and OS, plus >30% mobile OS. Yes, I think it's very safe to say "browsers and operating systems are increasingly expected to gain access to language models."

benterix 6mo ago
The word "expected" is a weasel word in this context, especially given how muck backlash MS has received. I'd expect a link to a study where users say: "I'd like to have an LLM integrated with my operating system and my browser" and how it changes over time. Then you can seriously argue for "increasingly expected".
bakugo 6mo ago
What this proves is that browsers and operating systems are increasingly integrating language models, not that they are expected to do so. The only people who expect them to do so are big tech executives. The average user does not expect nor want Copilot shoved into every possible corner of Windows, and Microsoft themselves have acknowledged this.
deaux 6mo ago
You omitted the clause "by shareholders" after "expected".
kirb 6mo ago
These features are enabled by default, and in the case of iOS/macOS, desktop Chrome, probably also Copilot+ PCs, download 4 - 7 GB local models without properly explaining this to users. This doesn’t confirm any demand because if you just don’t use the features and don’t fill up your device, you may never notice. I think this API is probably fine, but only if the user already has a model downloaded and wants these features. Naturally, case in point, Chrome quietly downloads Gemini Nano without any opt-out except through group policy. Things like this and Microsoft’s recent admission that they’ve overindexed on Copilot features in Windows make it increasingly difficult to trust that users actually want more than a few killer AI features, most of which are just ChatGPT. Anecdotally, non-technical friends and family members know about ChatGPT and increasingly Gemini, get frustrated by Copilot, and don’t know Apple Intelligence exists. https://superuser.com/questions/1930445/can-i-delete-the-chromes-optguideondevicemodel-safely-its-taking-up-4gb https://superuser.com/questions/1930445/can-i-delete-the-chr...
bigbadfeline 6mo ago
> So it's >90% desktop browser and OS, plus >30% mobile OS. > Yes, I think it's very safe to say "browsers and operating systems are increasingly expected to gain access to language models." Doesn't follow. Every case you listed justifies LLM inclusion with a similar "everything is expected to be defiled by LLMs" argument, mine is a better wording but still evasively passive and the "expected" part is still nonsense. Just don't tell me LLM inclusion is justified by "expected" all the way down, like the bottomless money pit it is.

benterix 6mo ago

The word "expected" is a weasel word in this context, especially given how muck backlash MS has received. I'd expect a link to a study where users say: "I'd like to have an LLM integrated with my operating system and my browser" and how it changes over time. Then you can seriously argue for "increasingly expected".

bakugo 6mo ago

What this proves is that browsers and operating systems are increasingly integrating language models, not that they are expected to do so. The only people who expect them to do so are big tech executives. The average user does not expect nor want Copilot shoved into every possible corner of Windows, and Microsoft themselves have acknowledged this.

deaux 6mo ago

You omitted the clause "by shareholders" after "expected".

kirb 6mo ago

These features are enabled by default, and in the case of iOS/macOS, desktop Chrome, probably also Copilot+ PCs, download 4 - 7 GB local models without properly explaining this to users. This doesn’t confirm any demand because if you just don’t use the features and don’t fill up your device, you may never notice. I think this API is probably fine, but only if the user already has a model downloaded and wants these features. Naturally, case in point, Chrome quietly downloads Gemini Nano without any opt-out except through group policy. Things like this and Microsoft’s recent admission that they’ve overindexed on Copilot features in Windows make it increasingly difficult to trust that users actually want more than a few killer AI features, most of which are just ChatGPT. Anecdotally, non-technical friends and family members know about ChatGPT and increasingly Gemini, get frustrated by Copilot, and don’t know Apple Intelligence exists. https://superuser.com/questions/1930445/can-i-delete-the-chromes-optguideondevicemodel-safely-its-taking-up-4gb https://superuser.com/questions/1930445/can-i-delete-the-chr...

bigbadfeline 6mo ago

> So it's >90% desktop browser and OS, plus >30% mobile OS. > Yes, I think it's very safe to say "browsers and operating systems are increasingly expected to gain access to language models." Doesn't follow. Every case you listed justifies LLM inclusion with a similar "everything is expected to be defiled by LLMs" argument, mine is a better wording but still evasively passive and the "expected" part is still nonsense. Just don't tell me LLM inclusion is justified by "expected" all the way down, like the bottomless money pit it is.