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> This will result in Mozilla and Apple having to licence Google's model, or ship a model that's quirks-compatible with the Google model in order to be interope

> This will result in Mozilla and Apple having to licence Google's model, or ship a model that's quirks-compatible with the Google model in order to be interoperable. It may also become difficult for Chrome to update its own model for the same reasons. Google is again doing Evil. I am very annoyed that Google kind of de-facto controls the www (through chrome, let's be honest here). We really need to change this. I don't have a good solution here, but it can not continue that way.

youre-wrong3 5mo ago
Only have yourselves to blame. Chrome made the internet better but everyone put their fingers in their ears about it getting worse at the same time.
- hk__2 5mo ago
  Both, actually. It did make some parts of the Internet better, and some other worse.
- darkwater 5mo ago
  Which Internet did make better?
  - bilekas 5mo ago
    For anyone working in the web area during the old IE days will know, not having to have a dedicated css and js for each browser type was a gamechanger. Chrome's introduction, albeit through smoother, lighter browser experience at the time, pushed other browsers to standardize to google. In one way it's bad to have a homogenous approach to all things web based, but in another way it did make the internet a better experience overall.
    - dannyw 5mo ago
      In the horror days of IE, I remember having to look up some DirectX filter to properly display PNG images with transparency. It was that bad, and that’s one example of 1000. Some libraries/scripts helped normalise things a little, but never enough. Yuck.
  - deleted 5mo ago
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  - izacus 5mo ago
    The one you're using every day filled with web apps that runsl securely without you dowloading sketchy binaries or being locked into walled garden app stores.
    - darkwater 5mo ago
      It's also the one where I find sites where I can't even login if I'm using Firefox. i.e. my bank just redesigned their website and now you can login only with Chrome. For some weird bug, Firefox isn't allowed. The same exact issues we had with IE.
  - dannyw 5mo ago
    You remember the IE days right? Being a web developer was not fun; and the web was absolutely being held back. Chrome did a lot of things right: per-origin sandboxing, properly implementing web standards, V8, developer tools, and back then Chromium was super close to Chrome. Do I think Chrome is a net-negative for the web over the past ~3-5 years? Yes, especially with manifest v3, “privacy sandbox”, and them basically forcing through web APIs because they have the dominant marketshare. But early Chrome was a technologically impressive and user-friendly browser that really did make the web massively better. I remember happily putting Firefox and Chrome mini-banners (what are they called? Those little rectangular images) on my website, for free, because I recommended it.
    - Izkata 5mo ago
      Developer tools, at least, came through Firefox with Firebug, years before Chrome/Chromium existed.
- halJordan 5mo ago
  It was hard to stomach the "I looove Chrome. It can do no wrong" but these "Why did we let google control everything" comments are even worse
thrance 5mo ago
Lina Khan's FTC sought to break Google into multiple companies, leaving Chrome alone. Alas, Google escaped unscathed.
- rerdavies 5mo ago
  Fortunately, they chickened out when they realized that forcing Google to divest Chrome would result in Chrome being owned by Perplexity (an Indian AI company). Or perhaps somebody even worse, like Elon Musk.
- a1o 5mo ago
  I am curious if such thing happened, how would Chrome sustain itself as a company. I imagine Google would pay a hefty contract to it and keep their control, or some other actor would do and change the actors in the problem, but keeping it.
motbus3 5mo ago
Chrome is not that good anymore compared to other browsers. I switched long time ago and if the doesn't work with basic features I just leave the site out instead of letting it use chrome to control me
jraph 5mo ago
> We really need to change this. I don't have a good solution here, but it can not continue that way. Advocacy (against chromium and its forks) is one way.

youre-wrong3 5mo ago

Only have yourselves to blame. Chrome made the internet better but everyone put their fingers in their ears about it getting worse at the same time.

hk__2 5mo ago
Both, actually. It did make some parts of the Internet better, and some other worse.
darkwater 5mo ago
Which Internet did make better?
- bilekas 5mo ago
  For anyone working in the web area during the old IE days will know, not having to have a dedicated css and js for each browser type was a gamechanger. Chrome's introduction, albeit through smoother, lighter browser experience at the time, pushed other browsers to standardize to google. In one way it's bad to have a homogenous approach to all things web based, but in another way it did make the internet a better experience overall.
  - dannyw 5mo ago
    In the horror days of IE, I remember having to look up some DirectX filter to properly display PNG images with transparency. It was that bad, and that’s one example of 1000. Some libraries/scripts helped normalise things a little, but never enough. Yuck.
- deleted 5mo ago
  [deleted]
- izacus 5mo ago
  The one you're using every day filled with web apps that runsl securely without you dowloading sketchy binaries or being locked into walled garden app stores.
  - darkwater 5mo ago
    It's also the one where I find sites where I can't even login if I'm using Firefox. i.e. my bank just redesigned their website and now you can login only with Chrome. For some weird bug, Firefox isn't allowed. The same exact issues we had with IE.
- dannyw 5mo ago
  You remember the IE days right? Being a web developer was not fun; and the web was absolutely being held back. Chrome did a lot of things right: per-origin sandboxing, properly implementing web standards, V8, developer tools, and back then Chromium was super close to Chrome. Do I think Chrome is a net-negative for the web over the past ~3-5 years? Yes, especially with manifest v3, “privacy sandbox”, and them basically forcing through web APIs because they have the dominant marketshare. But early Chrome was a technologically impressive and user-friendly browser that really did make the web massively better. I remember happily putting Firefox and Chrome mini-banners (what are they called? Those little rectangular images) on my website, for free, because I recommended it.
  - Izkata 5mo ago
    Developer tools, at least, came through Firefox with Firebug, years before Chrome/Chromium existed.
halJordan 5mo ago
It was hard to stomach the "I looove Chrome. It can do no wrong" but these "Why did we let google control everything" comments are even worse

thrance 5mo ago

Lina Khan's FTC sought to break Google into multiple companies, leaving Chrome alone. Alas, Google escaped unscathed.

rerdavies 5mo ago
Fortunately, they chickened out when they realized that forcing Google to divest Chrome would result in Chrome being owned by Perplexity (an Indian AI company). Or perhaps somebody even worse, like Elon Musk.
a1o 5mo ago
I am curious if such thing happened, how would Chrome sustain itself as a company. I imagine Google would pay a hefty contract to it and keep their control, or some other actor would do and change the actors in the problem, but keeping it.

motbus3 5mo ago

Chrome is not that good anymore compared to other browsers. I switched long time ago and if the doesn't work with basic features I just leave the site out instead of letting it use chrome to control me

jraph 5mo ago

> We really need to change this. I don't have a good solution here, but it can not continue that way. Advocacy (against chromium and its forks) is one way.