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It didn't make sense to physically stock up on them before. It was mostly research, prototyping, comms infrastructure, software for swarms, AI piloting, ground

It didn't make sense to physically stock up on them before. It was mostly research, prototyping, comms infrastructure, software for swarms, AI piloting, ground control, etc. The next phase of building factories and manufacturing tooling/capabilities is a little bit concerning.

GerryAdamsSF 6mo ago
Simple DJI style drones employed en masse in Afghanistan would have been helpful for a variety of tasks. I cannot see any reason, over than oversight and a lack of imagination, why something useful in Ukraine in 2022 was not feasible or useful in 2017 by the USA. We already used drones quite handily well before that time frame but in a much more limited manner in a different form factor.
- cosmicgadget 6mo ago
  Combat in Ukraine is, as I understand it, somewhat like WWI with long lines of contact that only shift slowly. So you have a good idea that if you point your drone in a given direction, you'll find an enemy tank or trench. For Afghanistan it seems like high-flying, capable, armed drones were a better option for that type of conflict.
- rl3 6mo ago
  >I cannot see any reason, over than oversight and a lack of imagination, why something useful in Ukraine in 2022 was not feasible or useful in 2017 by the USA. Perhaps it had to do with optics? It's not like there was a lack of capability in 2017. [0] The war in Ukraine provided a way for the US to assist in rapid iteration of the technology without having to shoulder the negative sentiment or grapple with the morality of it. Also worth noting that the two conflicts were wildly different: Afghanistan was more of an occupation across a much larger area with air superiority. There's not really much impetus to field killer drone swarms when you already have the 24/7 ability to instantly delete most enemy combatants off the map to begin with. Whereas Ukraine with neither side having air superiority and it resembling something closer to modern trench warfare. In most cases with literal trenches. >We already used drones quite handily well before that time frame but in a much more limited manner in a different form factor. The picture below is from 1995. [1] By approximately 2001 it received the MQ-1A designation indicating it was capable of employing AGM-114 (hellfire) payloads. Kind of crazy to think about. [0] https://www.twz.com/6866/60-minutes-does-an-infomercial-on-drone-swarms-for-the-pentagon https://www.twz.com/6866/60-minutes-does-an-infomercial-on-d... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator#/media/File:RQ-1_Predator_in_flight_near_USS_Carl_Vinson_(CVN-70)_951205-N-3149J-006.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator#...
- red-iron-pine 6mo ago
  i mean mon ami drones were employed heavily in Afghanistan just not DJI suicide drones, and not on the squad level in 2006 those would have been great but the tech wasn't there the way it is in 2026. but in 2016 the US had eyes on everything. the difference is that the US had an occupation -- hearts & minds -- and couldn't just JDAM everything that moves, which is the SOP in Ukraine

GerryAdamsSF 6mo ago

Simple DJI style drones employed en masse in Afghanistan would have been helpful for a variety of tasks. I cannot see any reason, over than oversight and a lack of imagination, why something useful in Ukraine in 2022 was not feasible or useful in 2017 by the USA. We already used drones quite handily well before that time frame but in a much more limited manner in a different form factor.

cosmicgadget 6mo ago
Combat in Ukraine is, as I understand it, somewhat like WWI with long lines of contact that only shift slowly. So you have a good idea that if you point your drone in a given direction, you'll find an enemy tank or trench. For Afghanistan it seems like high-flying, capable, armed drones were a better option for that type of conflict.
rl3 6mo ago
>I cannot see any reason, over than oversight and a lack of imagination, why something useful in Ukraine in 2022 was not feasible or useful in 2017 by the USA. Perhaps it had to do with optics? It's not like there was a lack of capability in 2017. [0] The war in Ukraine provided a way for the US to assist in rapid iteration of the technology without having to shoulder the negative sentiment or grapple with the morality of it. Also worth noting that the two conflicts were wildly different: Afghanistan was more of an occupation across a much larger area with air superiority. There's not really much impetus to field killer drone swarms when you already have the 24/7 ability to instantly delete most enemy combatants off the map to begin with. Whereas Ukraine with neither side having air superiority and it resembling something closer to modern trench warfare. In most cases with literal trenches. >We already used drones quite handily well before that time frame but in a much more limited manner in a different form factor. The picture below is from 1995. [1] By approximately 2001 it received the MQ-1A designation indicating it was capable of employing AGM-114 (hellfire) payloads. Kind of crazy to think about. [0] https://www.twz.com/6866/60-minutes-does-an-infomercial-on-drone-swarms-for-the-pentagon https://www.twz.com/6866/60-minutes-does-an-infomercial-on-d... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator#/media/File:RQ-1_Predator_in_flight_near_USS_Carl_Vinson_(CVN-70)_951205-N-3149J-006.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator#...
red-iron-pine 6mo ago
i mean mon ami drones were employed heavily in Afghanistan just not DJI suicide drones, and not on the squad level in 2006 those would have been great but the tech wasn't there the way it is in 2026. but in 2016 the US had eyes on everything. the difference is that the US had an occupation -- hearts & minds -- and couldn't just JDAM everything that moves, which is the SOP in Ukraine