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We need a truly distributed point-to-point internet asap. Politicians going to do everything to limit free speech and free ideas in the name of protecting child

We need a truly distributed point-to-point internet asap. Politicians going to do everything to limit free speech and free ideas in the name of protecting children while they already got all the powers to investigate and stop child abuse. https://meshtastic.org/ https://meshtastic.org/

wtallis 5mo ago
Did you intend to link to Meshtastic as an example of how not to achieve your goals? Because it definitely isn't capable of scaling up to anything like the whole internet, and the project struggles to agree on any goals they want to reliably achieve.
- dev_l1x_be 5mo ago
  It is something, at least you can chat with your friends freely.
  - wtallis 5mo ago
    There are so many caveats and limitations that bringing it up in this context is downright dishonest. The most you could fairly say is that some of the philosophy driving some of the meshtastic developers is what you want to see applied to the development of an internet-scale network (which in reality would have less technology in common with meshtastic than with the current internet).
HerbManic 5mo ago
Alas it is the great contradiction. Federated technologies are brilliant for peer-to-peer but many struggle to scale because the designed redundancy tends to crush their efficiency. Really depends on the context. Email works because of its limits. Remove those limits and weaknesses start to appear.
protocolture 5mo ago
>We need a truly distributed point-to-point internet asap. Yes. A mesh network isnt point to point. Its a mesh.
- gnabgib 5mo ago
  So a mesh isn't made up of point to point connections? I'm pretty sure if you have several they start to look like a mesh (and every security site's banner)
  - protocolture 5mo ago
    Sure but I cant communicate with you in a point to point fashion, in a mesh network I am hoping that I have possibly hundreds of disinterested nodes between us. But like, are those nodes coordinating on censorship? Are some of the nodes recording your metadata? Are the nodes incentivized to carry the quantity of traffic you require? Really the "fix" the ultimate goal has to be direct point to point.
  - tardedmeme 5mo ago
    The real internet is made of point to point connections. Doesn't mean anything.

wtallis 5mo ago

Did you intend to link to Meshtastic as an example of how not to achieve your goals? Because it definitely isn't capable of scaling up to anything like the whole internet, and the project struggles to agree on any goals they want to reliably achieve.

dev_l1x_be 5mo ago
It is something, at least you can chat with your friends freely.
- wtallis 5mo ago
  There are so many caveats and limitations that bringing it up in this context is downright dishonest. The most you could fairly say is that some of the philosophy driving some of the meshtastic developers is what you want to see applied to the development of an internet-scale network (which in reality would have less technology in common with meshtastic than with the current internet).

HerbManic 5mo ago

Alas it is the great contradiction. Federated technologies are brilliant for peer-to-peer but many struggle to scale because the designed redundancy tends to crush their efficiency. Really depends on the context. Email works because of its limits. Remove those limits and weaknesses start to appear.

protocolture 5mo ago

>We need a truly distributed point-to-point internet asap. Yes. A mesh network isnt point to point. Its a mesh.

gnabgib 5mo ago
So a mesh isn't made up of point to point connections? I'm pretty sure if you have several they start to look like a mesh (and every security site's banner)
- protocolture 5mo ago
  Sure but I cant communicate with you in a point to point fashion, in a mesh network I am hoping that I have possibly hundreds of disinterested nodes between us. But like, are those nodes coordinating on censorship? Are some of the nodes recording your metadata? Are the nodes incentivized to carry the quantity of traffic you require? Really the "fix" the ultimate goal has to be direct point to point.
- tardedmeme 5mo ago
  The real internet is made of point to point connections. Doesn't mean anything.