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> fine sites not participating into oblivion. That would also amount to compelled speech.

Bender 6mo ago
That would also amount to compelled speech. I disagree. The legal requirement to apply a warning label is a well known, understood and accepted process that is applied to a myriad of hazards to children and adults. As just one example businesses in some states, most notably California are compelled to add warning labels to foods and other products that could cause cancer.
- sailfast 6mo ago
  Do you believe using the Internet should require a license? Isn’t that what covers these product warning labels?
  - Bender 6mo ago
    I never implied an internet license. Rather if a server operator a business has content that may be adult in nature they must label their site. Businesses require a license already but that is unrelated to this.
- SpaceNoodled 6mo ago
  That's not the best example, since the levels set for Prop 65 warnings are so low that the warnings are effectively useless; every single commercial building in CA now somehow causes cancer.
  - Bender 6mo ago
    Surely we both understand the point I was making in that labels are already compelled by laws today. Fine, cigarettes must be labelled as being a risk of causing cancer. The punishment for failing to do this is both civil and federal penalties including massive fines and federal prison time.
    - SpaceNoodled 6mo ago
      Now that I think about it, perhaps that example did a good job of demonstrating how ill-conceived requirements can wind up having zero effect except for just making everything a little bit more inconvenient.
  - tardedmeme 6mo ago
    Nobody was talking about their utility. Are they constitutional?
Ekaros 6mo ago
Clients could refuse to show content that does not have headers set. On other hand servers might choose to lie. After all that is their free speech right. So maybe you need some third party vetting list. Ofc, that one should be fully liable for any damages misclassification can cause... But someone would step up.
AlienRobot 6mo ago
Compelled to disclaim facts is good compelled speech, though.

That would also amount to compelled speech. I disagree. The legal requirement to apply a warning label is a well known, understood and accepted process that is applied to a myriad of hazards to children and adults. As just one example businesses in some states, most notably California are compelled to add warning labels to foods and other products that could cause cancer.

sailfast 6mo ago
Do you believe using the Internet should require a license? Isn’t that what covers these product warning labels?
- Bender 6mo ago
  I never implied an internet license. Rather if a server operator a business has content that may be adult in nature they must label their site. Businesses require a license already but that is unrelated to this.
SpaceNoodled 6mo ago
That's not the best example, since the levels set for Prop 65 warnings are so low that the warnings are effectively useless; every single commercial building in CA now somehow causes cancer.
- Bender 6mo ago
  Surely we both understand the point I was making in that labels are already compelled by laws today. Fine, cigarettes must be labelled as being a risk of causing cancer. The punishment for failing to do this is both civil and federal penalties including massive fines and federal prison time.
  - SpaceNoodled 6mo ago
    Now that I think about it, perhaps that example did a good job of demonstrating how ill-conceived requirements can wind up having zero effect except for just making everything a little bit more inconvenient.
- tardedmeme 6mo ago
  Nobody was talking about their utility. Are they constitutional?

Ekaros 6mo ago

Clients could refuse to show content that does not have headers set. On other hand servers might choose to lie. After all that is their free speech right. So maybe you need some third party vetting list. Ofc, that one should be fully liable for any damages misclassification can cause... But someone would step up.

AlienRobot 6mo ago

Compelled to disclaim facts is good compelled speech, though.