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Would be better to think of it as ‘agreeableness’ and agreeable people are more likely to shift their views to agree with those they are talking to.
by cjbgkagh 6mo ago
Would be better to think of it as ‘agreeableness’ and agreeable people are more likely to shift their views to agree with those they are talking to.
- js8 6mo agoI would call it obedience, and it's not the same as friendliness. The difference, in a repeated prisoner dilemma: Friendliness is cooperating on the first move, and then conditionally. Obedience is always cooperating.
- cjbgkagh 6mo agoAgreeableness is a Big Five personality trait so a lot of the formal research into personalities uses it as one of the dimensions.
- js8 6mo agoYeah but I would argue it's different from both friendliness and obedience.
- cjbgkagh 6mo agoDo you have a standard and a body of work you can point to in an effort to aid with communication these thoughts to others? At the very least there should be a reversible projection to the Big 5 standard.
- js8 6mo agoI don't think Big5 applies to LLMs. They don't share people's morality or common sense, and the traits are predicated on that. BTW: https://claude.ai/share/78a13035-0787-42a5-8643-398b26887e42 https://claude.ai/share/78a13035-0787-42a5-8643-398b26887e42
- cjbgkagh 6mo agoLol, you convinced a LLM to agree with you. I use the Big5 as a way of communicating where there is a common reference and a large body of work. How people think they think and how they actually think are two different things, people are much closer to LLMs than they think they are. I can't provide evidence for this for a variety of reasons so at this point we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
- js8 6mo agoActually, it's the other way around - I used LLM to think about it independently to check if my intuition made sense. I agree with its arguments (and I generally found LLMs argue better than myself, that's why I use them). It's disappointing that you dismiss it without providing a counterargument.
- cjbgkagh 6mo agoI have privileged access to information that I cannot share, I would rather keep my access than win some argument online.
- root_axis 6mo agoMy point is that LLMs are not humans, so projecting intuitions from human psychology onto LLMs is not helpful.
- cjbgkagh 6mo agoYour point was that humans did not display such behavior even though it has been extensively studied and they do. There is plenty of evidence that highly agreeable people will agree with you on incorrect ideas and conspiracy theories. The name of the trait ‘agreeableness’ is what you’ll need to find such evidence.
- thaumasiotes 6mo ago> and agreeable people are more likely to shift their views to agree with those they are talking to Agreeable people are more likely to shift their expressed views to agree with those they are talking to. If they're more likely to shift their views, we call them "gullible", not "agreeable". But this is a distinction you can't apply to language models, which don't have views.
- cjbgkagh 6mo agoAgreeable people are also the most suggestible in that they are the most likely to actually change their views. These traits share the same axis.