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Those two things are in fact different. Does requiring a VIN on a car mean that cars are banned?

jp191919 5mo ago
Well, One is a right, the other is a privilege.
15155 5mo ago
Tell me you have never actually read the statute without telling me. Per the statute text, you may not manufacture a firearm for personal use in Colorado: the statute requires an FFL's license number (which you do not have) to be placed in the serial number string. FFLs didn't exist in 1790 - therefore this fails Bruen among other standards.
iamnothere 5mo ago
You don’t actually need a VIN on a car, you just won’t be able to register and drive a VINless car on public roads. Some states seem to have designated even private roads as “public” if there is uncontrolled access (seems ripe for a court challenge though). But offroading or gated roads would be fine even here. Some YouTubers have fun importing cheap Chinese cars that aren’t street legal and destroying them with extreme offroading.
- Sohcahtoa82 5mo ago
  Car/traffic laws don't apply on personal property (Though noise ordinances still would), but that won't stop cops from trying to ticket you anyways. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/dep350/received_a_reckless_driving_ticket_on_my_private/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/dep350/receive...
  - 15155 5mo ago
    FWIW: this isn't a universally-applicable statement, plenty of states forbid DWI during any and all operation of motor vehicles, including on private property.
    - chroma 5mo ago
      I think in almost all states DUI applies to private roads accessible to the public, such as parking lots and driveways. Mythbusters drove drunk on a closed course in California and that was legal. Only a few states absolutely forbid operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated (I know Washington is one). That said, you’d have to do something pretty absurd to attract the attention of law enforcement if you’re staying on your own land.
      - kotaKat 5mo ago
        If they didn't want you to drink, John Deere wouldn't have put a cupholder on it. C'mon, that's entrapment!
      - cucumber3732842 5mo ago
        >That said, you’d have to do something pretty absurd to attract the attention of law enforcement if you’re staying on your own land. That's just BS. If the cops show up for any reason and they think they can get a DUI out of it they will try and write one.
  - sidewndr46 5mo ago
    This is most definitely completely false. All EPA laws apply to all vehicles originally sold as road legal forever.
  - doubled112 5mo ago
    Ontario, Canada has stunt driving laws that extend past the road to parking lots, farmer's fields, and more.
    - cindyllm 5mo ago
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- autoexec 5mo ago
  > You don’t actually need a VIN on a car, you just won’t be able to register and drive a VINless car on public roads. Somehow I doubt that many 2nd amendment supporters would be okay with "You don't need a registration number on your gun, it'll just be illegal to carry/use it anywhere except private property"
  - iamnothere 5mo ago
    Some would, some wouldn’t. There are some who only care about home defense or sport shooting on private land. Open carry and CCW folks would be quite upset, yes. The biggest problem with this (for the first group) would be conveyance from buyer to seller or to/from a range or hunting grounds.
chroma 5mo ago
Do F1 cars have VINs? I’m pretty sure you don’t need a VIN on a car if it stays off public roads. Also driving is not a right enshrined by the constitution.
bigbadfeline 5mo ago
> Does requiring a VIN on a car mean that cars are banned? Of course, Chinese cars in the US are effectively banned by regulations. Proof that VIN can be used for banning.

jp191919 5mo ago

Well, One is a right, the other is a privilege.

15155 5mo ago

Tell me you have never actually read the statute without telling me. Per the statute text, you may not manufacture a firearm for personal use in Colorado: the statute requires an FFL's license number (which you do not have) to be placed in the serial number string. FFLs didn't exist in 1790 - therefore this fails Bruen among other standards.

iamnothere 5mo ago

You don’t actually need a VIN on a car, you just won’t be able to register and drive a VINless car on public roads. Some states seem to have designated even private roads as “public” if there is uncontrolled access (seems ripe for a court challenge though). But offroading or gated roads would be fine even here. Some YouTubers have fun importing cheap Chinese cars that aren’t street legal and destroying them with extreme offroading.

Sohcahtoa82 5mo ago
Car/traffic laws don't apply on personal property (Though noise ordinances still would), but that won't stop cops from trying to ticket you anyways. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/dep350/received_a_reckless_driving_ticket_on_my_private/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/dep350/receive...
- 15155 5mo ago
  FWIW: this isn't a universally-applicable statement, plenty of states forbid DWI during any and all operation of motor vehicles, including on private property.
  - chroma 5mo ago
    I think in almost all states DUI applies to private roads accessible to the public, such as parking lots and driveways. Mythbusters drove drunk on a closed course in California and that was legal. Only a few states absolutely forbid operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated (I know Washington is one). That said, you’d have to do something pretty absurd to attract the attention of law enforcement if you’re staying on your own land.
    - kotaKat 5mo ago
      If they didn't want you to drink, John Deere wouldn't have put a cupholder on it. C'mon, that's entrapment!
    - cucumber3732842 5mo ago
      >That said, you’d have to do something pretty absurd to attract the attention of law enforcement if you’re staying on your own land. That's just BS. If the cops show up for any reason and they think they can get a DUI out of it they will try and write one.
- sidewndr46 5mo ago
  This is most definitely completely false. All EPA laws apply to all vehicles originally sold as road legal forever.
- doubled112 5mo ago
  Ontario, Canada has stunt driving laws that extend past the road to parking lots, farmer's fields, and more.
  - cindyllm 5mo ago
    [dead]
autoexec 5mo ago
> You don’t actually need a VIN on a car, you just won’t be able to register and drive a VINless car on public roads. Somehow I doubt that many 2nd amendment supporters would be okay with "You don't need a registration number on your gun, it'll just be illegal to carry/use it anywhere except private property"
- iamnothere 5mo ago
  Some would, some wouldn’t. There are some who only care about home defense or sport shooting on private land. Open carry and CCW folks would be quite upset, yes. The biggest problem with this (for the first group) would be conveyance from buyer to seller or to/from a range or hunting grounds.

chroma 5mo ago

Do F1 cars have VINs? I’m pretty sure you don’t need a VIN on a car if it stays off public roads. Also driving is not a right enshrined by the constitution.

bigbadfeline 5mo ago

> Does requiring a VIN on a car mean that cars are banned? Of course, Chinese cars in the US are effectively banned by regulations. Proof that VIN can be used for banning.