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As a European center/moderate kind of person I agree with the US POTUS about this one thing: Iran can not be allowed to build nuclear weapons. I personally don

• insane_dreamer 6mo ago
  They had an agreement that was working which Trump tore up and then went to war on Israel’s behalf. So it was largely a solved problem until Trump created the problem.
  • lysace 6mo ago
    There are two perspectives here: Americans like you (I rudely assume) care more about US domestic policies than I do. Foreigners like me care more about global stability compared to US domestic policies.
    • someotherperson 6mo ago
      "Foreigners like me care more about global stability" yes so continue to rain bombs on the middle east, accept their poorest as refugees, and continue to support Israeli expansion. All of this leads to global stability. It's definitely not the reason behind global instability. European takes are usually the funniest. It's literal racism (as in, one race is better than the other) but it's packaged in such a ridiculous way that you somehow suggest that it's doing others a favor.
      • lysace 6mo ago
        Lots of odd assumptions there. As an example: I was out on the streets protesting the 2003 GWB Iraq invasion war. It was mostly obvious before the invasion that the cause was bogus. It was later proven to be bogus. And you seem to have this way of boiling literally everything down to some sort of unspecified racism.
        • someotherperson 6mo ago
          > Lots of odd assumptions there. No assumptions, it's all fact. > I was out on the streets protesting the 2003 GWB Iraq invasion war You mean the war that all the European countries participated in? How about Libya? Syria? or the various conflicts in Israel? Surely you also opposed what's happening in Yemen right? > And you seem to have this way of boiling literally everything down to some sort of unspecified racism Suggesting 'we are trustworthy to have nuclear capabilities, but those other people are not' is racist, yeah. Considering the most crackpot nations responsible for most of the global instability and suffering over the last few centuries are also the ones who seem to think they can decide who can and can't utilize energy sources. Let me know when you show similar concern about Israel.
          • padjo 6mo ago
            > You mean the war that all the European countries participated in? That's just factually incorrect. Most European countries did not take part in the invasion of Iraq. The US famously renamed French fries in protest.
            • someotherperson 6mo ago
              The only ones that didn’t are France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Greece. The rest all did. This cohort changed its mind with Libya and Syria not too long after though. > The US famously renamed French fries in protest. The same French who very famously made Israel the nuclear-capable pariah state that it is today.
              • lysace 6mo ago
                That's also quite incorrect. You're missing a lot of countries, like Austria, Switzerland, Ireland, Sweden, Finland, etc. etc.
              • padjo 6mo ago
                Oh come on, only Poland and the UK joined in the original invasion. The later post invasion involvement by some NATO members was also minimal, not to mention all the non NATO countries that had no involvement. Why make such absurdly fallacious and easily disproven statements?
    • insane_dreamer 6mo ago
      I am American, but -- surprise, surprise! -- I care much more about global stability than I do domestic policies. (I've lived/worked many more years outside the US than in the US, on every continent, and have a first-hand understanding of the impact of US policies on the rest of the world.) But because the US still has the most influence (though waning) on the rest of the world than any other country, its domestic policies can either enhance or threaten global stability. And Trump has been absolutely disastrous -- from see-saw tariffs, to gutting USAID, to destabilizing US-Europe relations, to caving into pressure from Israel (cheered on by idiotic macho-boy Hesgeth) to attack Iran without any real plan (foolishly thinking Iran==Venezuela; do these people know nothing?). So the problem with global stability right now isn't Iran, which was a largely contained problem (despite its never-ending feud with Israel), but Trump.
  • drnick1 6mo ago
    Clearly, it wasn't working if they needed to hide their activities in underground bunkers. The plan for the Iranians has always been to buy time and obtain sanctions relief while secretly using the money to fund nuclear technology and build missiles. The only durable solution here is the collapse of the terrorist regime and disarmament of the county.
    • Hikikomori 6mo ago
      It was working, as US intelligence agencies testified to in congress as Trump ripped up the deal. Then trump put heavy sanctions on them and they restarted their enrichment program.