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Do Trump's actions make any sense at all? During Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Bush, Obama and Biden seemed to have some goals, and some strategic planning. Trump

Do Trump's actions make any sense at all? During Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Bush, Obama and Biden seemed to have some goals, and some strategic planning. Trump looks like he's just winging it.

heyitsmedotjayb 6mo ago
He is making it up day by day. We all just watched America lose a war.
- leereeves 6mo ago
  In what way did America lose? America actually profits from the high oil prices as a net exporter.
  - ngetchell 6mo ago
    Most Americans don't profit. A very small few do.
    - leereeves 6mo ago
      You could say the same thing about Silicon Valley.
  - UncleMeat 6mo ago
    American oil companies maybe. But America?
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  - ben_w 6mo ago
    The US lost by ending in a worse position than it started, and achieved none of its aims. Iran is still there, the new leadership is even more anti-US than the old one, the nation sucessfully defended itself by closing the strait. The US unnecessarily strained all but one (Israel being the exception) of its main allies with the incoherent "we expect your help even though we didn't ask for it and keep dismissing you" statements from the White House directed at NATO, a lot of its allies in the region who got struck directly by Iranian countervalue strikes are wondering what's the point of being allies with the US; the US expended a significant chunk of munitions that will take a long time (I hear "years") to replace; and even the short term benefits[0] coming from the US being a net oil exporter are mostly serving to drive the world to electrify even faster than they already were to reduce oil dependence as much as possible, which means the world is buying even more Chinese PV etc. than before. [0] which are limited both by Dutch disease and oil being an input for a huge range of products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease
beardyw 6mo ago
Perhaps he will say he's sorry.
- GJim 6mo ago
  Whilst wearing a suit.
  - fuzzfactor 6mo ago
    C'mon, he's more than a mere clothes horse with a wardrobe. There's also makeup. He's obviously got his own high-dollar custom color pallette now, and more-accomplished artists to better co-ordinate with the costumes and the lighting. No more looking like the average person with that run-of-the-mill plain commodity orange.
b--l 6mo ago
If you assume he is being blackmailed then it makes sense. On any other level it does not.
- AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
  No, he could just be a flaming narcissist, doing whatever he thinks makes him look the best for the next five minutes. Or he could be running scared of the Epstein files, and desperate to do something - anything - to distract the public. Or he could just think that his superficial level of understanding is deeper than everyone else's, so anyone who disagrees is wrong or stupid or both. Or he could know that he doesn't know, but think that he has to look like he knows, because if the image cracks, it's all over. So, no, blackmail is not the only option that makes sense.
  - w0de0 6mo ago
    You’ve forgotten the scenario in which senility remixes all of the above daily.
johng 6mo ago
Does keeping Iran from having Nuclear weapons make sense? Does keeping Iran from paying terrorists make sense? Does keeping Iran and it's proxies from killing Americans and civilians from other countries make sense? All of those things make sense to me. This needed to be done long ago. Every single administration said so.... it's clear as day. But, he finally did it. In a decisive way. I would gladly pay a bit more at the pump so end all of the above. Now, think of all the protests and political backlash that he got for not helping Palestine more. What Iran is doing to their own people is much worse, IMHO. Not a peep about it from most people. No campuses shut down. No riots. No walk outs.... because it's not Israel doing it. Go talk to someone from Iran... someone who has family there. They all support Trump on this issue. This needed to be done. It amazes me how many Americans want us to lose simply because it's Orange Man doing it.
- GJim 6mo ago
  > Does keeping Iran from having Nuclear weapons make sense Why do (some!) Americans insist on believing Iran was going to obtain nuclear weapons? Netanyahu is repeating the line "Iran will have a nuke in 2 months" for 30 years. American intelligence also showed that Iran was nowhere near building a nuclear weapon. Frankly, a better question would be to ask why Mango Mussolini tore up the 2016 Iran Nuclear deal (JCPOA).... most likely because it was made by his predecessor.
  - johng 6mo ago
    The fact that Iran themselves admitted it, and so has the IAEA. You can hate on Trump all you want but this is without dispute. If they weren't trying so hard to create nuclear weapons, they'd surely agree not to. I notice no one addressed the issue of them killing 40,000+ of their own citizens.
    - bediger4000 6mo ago
      Iran is a sovereign nation. Many such are killing tons of their civilians. South Sudan comes to mind instantly. Many sovereign nations have killed that many or more of their own citizens, Myanmar and Cambodia for example, and the USA has not intervened. Part of Trump's campaign promises related to the USA not being the world's policeman, this issue strikes me as another propaganda red herring.
cyanydeez 6mo ago
oNLY if you're a conspiracy theorist who thinks Russia got caught up playing but the dimentia is playing better. Really, he's just stuck in the 80s and playing poltics as such.

Do Trump's actions make any sense at all? During Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Bush, Obama and Biden seemed to have some goals, and some strategic planning. Trump looks like he's just winging it.

heyitsmedotjayb 6mo ago

He is making it up day by day. We all just watched America lose a war.

leereeves 6mo ago
In what way did America lose? America actually profits from the high oil prices as a net exporter.
- ngetchell 6mo ago
  Most Americans don't profit. A very small few do.
  - leereeves 6mo ago
    You could say the same thing about Silicon Valley.
- UncleMeat 6mo ago
  American oil companies maybe. But America?
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- ben_w 6mo ago
  The US lost by ending in a worse position than it started, and achieved none of its aims. Iran is still there, the new leadership is even more anti-US than the old one, the nation sucessfully defended itself by closing the strait. The US unnecessarily strained all but one (Israel being the exception) of its main allies with the incoherent "we expect your help even though we didn't ask for it and keep dismissing you" statements from the White House directed at NATO, a lot of its allies in the region who got struck directly by Iranian countervalue strikes are wondering what's the point of being allies with the US; the US expended a significant chunk of munitions that will take a long time (I hear "years") to replace; and even the short term benefits[0] coming from the US being a net oil exporter are mostly serving to drive the world to electrify even faster than they already were to reduce oil dependence as much as possible, which means the world is buying even more Chinese PV etc. than before. [0] which are limited both by Dutch disease and oil being an input for a huge range of products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

beardyw 6mo ago

Perhaps he will say he's sorry.

GJim 6mo ago
Whilst wearing a suit.
- fuzzfactor 6mo ago
  C'mon, he's more than a mere clothes horse with a wardrobe. There's also makeup. He's obviously got his own high-dollar custom color pallette now, and more-accomplished artists to better co-ordinate with the costumes and the lighting. No more looking like the average person with that run-of-the-mill plain commodity orange.

b--l 6mo ago

If you assume he is being blackmailed then it makes sense. On any other level it does not.

AnimalMuppet 6mo ago
No, he could just be a flaming narcissist, doing whatever he thinks makes him look the best for the next five minutes. Or he could be running scared of the Epstein files, and desperate to do something - anything - to distract the public. Or he could just think that his superficial level of understanding is deeper than everyone else's, so anyone who disagrees is wrong or stupid or both. Or he could know that he doesn't know, but think that he has to look like he knows, because if the image cracks, it's all over. So, no, blackmail is not the only option that makes sense.
- w0de0 6mo ago
  You’ve forgotten the scenario in which senility remixes all of the above daily.

johng 6mo ago

Does keeping Iran from having Nuclear weapons make sense? Does keeping Iran from paying terrorists make sense? Does keeping Iran and it's proxies from killing Americans and civilians from other countries make sense? All of those things make sense to me. This needed to be done long ago. Every single administration said so.... it's clear as day. But, he finally did it. In a decisive way. I would gladly pay a bit more at the pump so end all of the above. Now, think of all the protests and political backlash that he got for not helping Palestine more. What Iran is doing to their own people is much worse, IMHO. Not a peep about it from most people. No campuses shut down. No riots. No walk outs.... because it's not Israel doing it. Go talk to someone from Iran... someone who has family there. They all support Trump on this issue. This needed to be done. It amazes me how many Americans want us to lose simply because it's Orange Man doing it.

GJim 6mo ago
> Does keeping Iran from having Nuclear weapons make sense Why do (some!) Americans insist on believing Iran was going to obtain nuclear weapons? Netanyahu is repeating the line "Iran will have a nuke in 2 months" for 30 years. American intelligence also showed that Iran was nowhere near building a nuclear weapon. Frankly, a better question would be to ask why Mango Mussolini tore up the 2016 Iran Nuclear deal (JCPOA).... most likely because it was made by his predecessor.
- johng 6mo ago
  The fact that Iran themselves admitted it, and so has the IAEA. You can hate on Trump all you want but this is without dispute. If they weren't trying so hard to create nuclear weapons, they'd surely agree not to. I notice no one addressed the issue of them killing 40,000+ of their own citizens.
  - bediger4000 6mo ago
    Iran is a sovereign nation. Many such are killing tons of their civilians. South Sudan comes to mind instantly. Many sovereign nations have killed that many or more of their own citizens, Myanmar and Cambodia for example, and the USA has not intervened. Part of Trump's campaign promises related to the USA not being the world's policeman, this issue strikes me as another propaganda red herring.

cyanydeez 6mo ago

oNLY if you're a conspiracy theorist who thinks Russia got caught up playing but the dimentia is playing better. Really, he's just stuck in the 80s and playing poltics as such.