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> Serious question: Would you rather the US had started this war or Iran obtained nuclear weapons? The former existence of the JCPOA "Iran nuclear deal" is wha

> Serious question: Would you rather the US had started this war or Iran obtained nuclear weapons? The former existence of the JCPOA "Iran nuclear deal" is what indicates that this is a false dichotomy, not a serious question.

laughing_man 6mo ago
As I pointed out elsewhere, the "Iran nuclear deal" was very similar to the "North Korea nuclear deal" that prevented the North Koreans from building nuclear weapons.
- SideburnsOfDoom 6mo ago
  I see your opinion there, and I do not place any value in it.
  - laughing_man 6mo ago
    And I give that sentiment all the consideration it deserves.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 6mo ago
      And a good day to you too. Bye.
- piva00 6mo ago
  The deal with North Korea fell through because the USA didn't keep their side of the agreement to build LWRs in exchange of NK decommissioning their dual-purpose reactors, Kim Jong-Il then escalated it all after Bush's admin said they would cut oil shipments. It was another sequence of events from hawkish behaviour, the USA does not have the patience (nor the political system) to deal with long, drawn out diplomatic solutions. > There are a myriad of indications the Iranians are building nuclear weapons, the most obvious of these being the enrichment of uranium far past the purity you'd need for any other purpose. Of course, that's the whole point of Iran creating this lever, it needs to be plausible enough to force negotiations, as I said before: Netanyahu has been screaming about impeding Iranian nukes for 30 years, they never materialised. Do you know what will materialise a nuclear program? Getting attacked and having your government decapitated while in negotiations, after a previous agreement was reneged on. I need to state this before someone comes with a strawman: I don't support the Iranian regime at all, it's absolutely brutal, and tyrannical. I have friends who are exiled Iranians, I've been around their families and heard their stories many times. I'm plenty aware of how bad it is but they aren't stupid or irrational, the only levers for international negotiations they had were keeping their nuclear program in limbo, and the strait. Those levers weren't enough to deter Israel and the USA so their only rational option left is to pursue a nuclear weapon if they hold power for a few more years.

laughing_man 6mo ago

As I pointed out elsewhere, the "Iran nuclear deal" was very similar to the "North Korea nuclear deal" that prevented the North Koreans from building nuclear weapons.

SideburnsOfDoom 6mo ago
I see your opinion there, and I do not place any value in it.
- laughing_man 6mo ago
  And I give that sentiment all the consideration it deserves.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 6mo ago
    And a good day to you too. Bye.
piva00 6mo ago
The deal with North Korea fell through because the USA didn't keep their side of the agreement to build LWRs in exchange of NK decommissioning their dual-purpose reactors, Kim Jong-Il then escalated it all after Bush's admin said they would cut oil shipments. It was another sequence of events from hawkish behaviour, the USA does not have the patience (nor the political system) to deal with long, drawn out diplomatic solutions. > There are a myriad of indications the Iranians are building nuclear weapons, the most obvious of these being the enrichment of uranium far past the purity you'd need for any other purpose. Of course, that's the whole point of Iran creating this lever, it needs to be plausible enough to force negotiations, as I said before: Netanyahu has been screaming about impeding Iranian nukes for 30 years, they never materialised. Do you know what will materialise a nuclear program? Getting attacked and having your government decapitated while in negotiations, after a previous agreement was reneged on. I need to state this before someone comes with a strawman: I don't support the Iranian regime at all, it's absolutely brutal, and tyrannical. I have friends who are exiled Iranians, I've been around their families and heard their stories many times. I'm plenty aware of how bad it is but they aren't stupid or irrational, the only levers for international negotiations they had were keeping their nuclear program in limbo, and the strait. Those levers weren't enough to deter Israel and the USA so their only rational option left is to pursue a nuclear weapon if they hold power for a few more years.