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Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels. Unless you have nuclear or another reliable source like hydro, which

Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels. Unless you have nuclear or another reliable source like hydro, which you only get if you have the right topography for it.

ragebol 6mo ago
How do renewables create a dependency on fossil fuels? This dependency already existed before renewables in the current sense were a thing. If anything, renewables help existing stock of fossil fuels last longer as you don't burn as much when renewables are generating.
- peterbecich 6mo ago
  I'm going to guess if net energy use goes up, due to a glut of renewable energy, the gaps on cloudy, windless days will result in greater fossil fuel use than before. There need to be assurances renewables are replacing fossil fuels rather than just adding capacity.
  - pjc50 6mo ago
    > the gaps on cloudy, windless days will result in greater fossil fuel use than before How can it possibly, when ""before"" (what dates and countries are we talking about?) was mostly fossil fuel anyway? Remember that Germany, France, Spain and Poland look completely different in terms of energy mix!
- pepperoni_pizza 6mo ago
  The way they do renewables in some places: * solar with no storage * shutting down existing nuclear * natural gas peaker plants * making everyone to use natural gas for heating by making it much cheaper than electricity * slowing down the EV rollout by keeping to subsidize gas and diesel could definitely be seen as a scheme to make the fossil fuel gravy train last as long as possible. And that's not even talking about the absolutely out there schemes that didn't succeed like hydrogen powered vehicles (with most of hydrogen coming from fossil fuels and you can theoretically switch to zero emission one but you never would have because the fossil one is always going to be cheaper because making hydrogen is difficult). But it could also all just be incompetence.
  - ragebol 6mo ago
    All true, but that does not create a fossil fuel dependency, it just prolongs an already existing one.
  - mcv 6mo ago
    Gas for heating used to be the standard but is on its way out now. My house hasn't had a gas connection for 8 years, and many people qre switching to heat pumps and other cleaner methods of heating.
  - mcphage 6mo ago
    > The way they do renewables in some places: > * making everyone to use natural gas for heating by making it much cheaper than electricity They do renewables in some places by selling cheap fossil fuels? That’s… not doing renewables.
fundatus 6mo ago
> Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels. First of all, this is an insane statement. > Unless you have nuclear Second of all, with nuclear most countries will still be dependent on other countries for their fuel needs. So it doesn't solve the problem discussed here at all.
- oldsecondhand 6mo ago
  Stockpiling uranium ore, or lowly enriched uranium is much simpler than stockpiling natural gas.

ragebol 6mo ago

How do renewables create a dependency on fossil fuels? This dependency already existed before renewables in the current sense were a thing. If anything, renewables help existing stock of fossil fuels last longer as you don't burn as much when renewables are generating.

peterbecich 6mo ago
I'm going to guess if net energy use goes up, due to a glut of renewable energy, the gaps on cloudy, windless days will result in greater fossil fuel use than before. There need to be assurances renewables are replacing fossil fuels rather than just adding capacity.
- pjc50 6mo ago
  > the gaps on cloudy, windless days will result in greater fossil fuel use than before How can it possibly, when ""before"" (what dates and countries are we talking about?) was mostly fossil fuel anyway? Remember that Germany, France, Spain and Poland look completely different in terms of energy mix!
pepperoni_pizza 6mo ago
The way they do renewables in some places: * solar with no storage * shutting down existing nuclear * natural gas peaker plants * making everyone to use natural gas for heating by making it much cheaper than electricity * slowing down the EV rollout by keeping to subsidize gas and diesel could definitely be seen as a scheme to make the fossil fuel gravy train last as long as possible. And that's not even talking about the absolutely out there schemes that didn't succeed like hydrogen powered vehicles (with most of hydrogen coming from fossil fuels and you can theoretically switch to zero emission one but you never would have because the fossil one is always going to be cheaper because making hydrogen is difficult). But it could also all just be incompetence.
- ragebol 6mo ago
  All true, but that does not create a fossil fuel dependency, it just prolongs an already existing one.
- mcv 6mo ago
  Gas for heating used to be the standard but is on its way out now. My house hasn't had a gas connection for 8 years, and many people qre switching to heat pumps and other cleaner methods of heating.
- mcphage 6mo ago
  > The way they do renewables in some places: > * making everyone to use natural gas for heating by making it much cheaper than electricity They do renewables in some places by selling cheap fossil fuels? That’s… not doing renewables.

fundatus 6mo ago

> Alas, it is exactly the intermittent renewables that create a dependency on fossil fuels. First of all, this is an insane statement. > Unless you have nuclear Second of all, with nuclear most countries will still be dependent on other countries for their fuel needs. So it doesn't solve the problem discussed here at all.

oldsecondhand 6mo ago
Stockpiling uranium ore, or lowly enriched uranium is much simpler than stockpiling natural gas.