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It's proof that Anthropic is high on their own supply. I've heard them described as data science script kiddies with inflated egos and it seems spot-on.

deaux 6mo ago
What a joke. If "Anthropic is just a bunch of script kiddies" then everyone is, considering dozens of billions pored into beating their models yet they're still the go-to for coding and have been for quite a while now. Just a nonsensical thing to say.
- 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
  They got dethroned by some random Chinese company this month again. I don't think they are script kiddies but I think they have a moat on gpus. The US is doing everything to make it so hard for other countries to compete. And yet, with everything stacked against all these other companies, and with way way less money and way less fancy researchers they get beat over and over again. Usually by companies who AI isn't even their main product. Actually Alibaba dethroned sonnet with a model that's like 1/100th the size and can run on commodity hardware this month too. So they do look kind of silly... Definitely not script kiddies, but the way the researchers get managed makes them look goofy and sloppy and not interested in benefitting the consumer.
  - DANmode 6mo ago
    > Actually Alibaba dethroned sonnet In a benchmark? or real-world ranking of some kind?
    - 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
      Benchmarks and some real world anecdotes. There's a table on this page https://www.buildfastwithai.com/blogs/qwen3-6-35b-a3b-review https://www.buildfastwithai.com/blogs/qwen3-6-35b-a3b-review But most of the article is slop. Some mostly humans discussing it https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1so1533/qwen36_this_is_it/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1so1533/qwen36_...
stingraycharles 6mo ago
What is this reply even, what’s wrong with the vibe coding community? They have such ridiculous takes, it reminds me a lot of the extreme stances from the gaming community. Terminology also seems to come from there, “nerfing” etc.
- achierius 6mo ago
  I think a lot of non-vibe-coding types also hold similar opinions -- in fact they might dislike Anthropic products even more, given that they (however few they might be) choose not to use them.
  - stingraycharles 6mo ago
    You honestly think “Anthropic employees are script kiddies with inflated egos that are high on their own supply” is a reasonable stance? This seems such an immature take to me, and hard to take serious. Anthropic just a bunch of script kiddies? Really?
    - lelanthran 6mo ago
      > You honestly think “Anthropic employees are script kiddies with inflated egos that are high on their own supply” is a reasonable stance? Maybe not the script kiddies part, but "high on their own supply" is certainly not unreasonable.
      - stingraycharles 6mo ago
        I don’t understand the hostility and insulting tones being reasonable now. The comment is not at all just saying “their usage of their own AI is causing these issues”, it’s just a lot of hostility, I don’t see the value of these kind of insults.
        lelanthran 6mo ago
        > I don’t understand the hostility and insulting tones being reasonable now. Maybe it's just interpretation: "high on their own supply" is no different from "poisoned by their own dogfood" or similar. It means that they have completely committed to a thing that the person proffering the quote thinks is "wrong" in some way.
2001zhaozhao 6mo ago
That is exactly the impression I get from the claude code team, and by extension some of their recent launches like Cowork and Design. And of course with the growth team or whoever is in charge of the subscription and quota side of things. They just do the basic experiment -> ship workflow over and over again, doing whatever optimizes their product in the short term, and never seem to step back and think about the full long-term impact of their changes. They evidently seem to not even consider immediate regressions or negative blowback from users if it's not within the area of expertise of the guy who ships the change. That is despite their other teams (especially alignment) having a track record of being fairly well thought-out and intelligent. To the guys at Anthropic's product teams, every problem is a data science problem that you slap an A/B test onto, and they seem to think that the A/B test is all that's needed, and actual verification and thinking things through is overrated af. That's what leads to countless regressions in Claude Code as well as removing claude code from the pro plan in their product page for a few hours (lol).
- ffsm8 6mo ago
  Tbf, their harness was surprisingly ahead of the curve for most of the last year.. Are this point, the difference is mostly made up by issues like the OP has, so you're likely better off using eg pi (-agent) and writing your own custom skills and extensions (or any of the other harnesses the providers create, even copilot-cli has gotten decent nowadays)
  - karlgkk 6mo ago
    > Tbf, their harness was surprisingly ahead of the curve for most of the last year.. Yeah and now it’s not. We’ll see if they have the product ability to retake the lead, although I suspect not.
    - DANmode 6mo ago
      Who’s currently offering a better harness in your opinion?
      - 6mo ago

deaux 6mo ago

What a joke. If "Anthropic is just a bunch of script kiddies" then everyone is, considering dozens of billions pored into beating their models yet they're still the go-to for coding and have been for quite a while now. Just a nonsensical thing to say.

2ndorderthought 6mo ago
They got dethroned by some random Chinese company this month again. I don't think they are script kiddies but I think they have a moat on gpus. The US is doing everything to make it so hard for other countries to compete. And yet, with everything stacked against all these other companies, and with way way less money and way less fancy researchers they get beat over and over again. Usually by companies who AI isn't even their main product. Actually Alibaba dethroned sonnet with a model that's like 1/100th the size and can run on commodity hardware this month too. So they do look kind of silly... Definitely not script kiddies, but the way the researchers get managed makes them look goofy and sloppy and not interested in benefitting the consumer.
- DANmode 6mo ago
  > Actually Alibaba dethroned sonnet In a benchmark? or real-world ranking of some kind?
  - 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
    Benchmarks and some real world anecdotes. There's a table on this page https://www.buildfastwithai.com/blogs/qwen3-6-35b-a3b-review https://www.buildfastwithai.com/blogs/qwen3-6-35b-a3b-review But most of the article is slop. Some mostly humans discussing it https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1so1533/qwen36_this_is_it/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1so1533/qwen36_...

stingraycharles 6mo ago

What is this reply even, what’s wrong with the vibe coding community? They have such ridiculous takes, it reminds me a lot of the extreme stances from the gaming community. Terminology also seems to come from there, “nerfing” etc.

achierius 6mo ago
I think a lot of non-vibe-coding types also hold similar opinions -- in fact they might dislike Anthropic products even more, given that they (however few they might be) choose not to use them.
- stingraycharles 6mo ago
  You honestly think “Anthropic employees are script kiddies with inflated egos that are high on their own supply” is a reasonable stance? This seems such an immature take to me, and hard to take serious. Anthropic just a bunch of script kiddies? Really?
  - lelanthran 6mo ago
    > You honestly think “Anthropic employees are script kiddies with inflated egos that are high on their own supply” is a reasonable stance? Maybe not the script kiddies part, but "high on their own supply" is certainly not unreasonable.
    - stingraycharles 6mo ago
      I don’t understand the hostility and insulting tones being reasonable now. The comment is not at all just saying “their usage of their own AI is causing these issues”, it’s just a lot of hostility, I don’t see the value of these kind of insults.
      - lelanthran 6mo ago
        > I don’t understand the hostility and insulting tones being reasonable now. Maybe it's just interpretation: "high on their own supply" is no different from "poisoned by their own dogfood" or similar. It means that they have completely committed to a thing that the person proffering the quote thinks is "wrong" in some way.

2001zhaozhao 6mo ago

That is exactly the impression I get from the claude code team, and by extension some of their recent launches like Cowork and Design. And of course with the growth team or whoever is in charge of the subscription and quota side of things. They just do the basic experiment -> ship workflow over and over again, doing whatever optimizes their product in the short term, and never seem to step back and think about the full long-term impact of their changes. They evidently seem to not even consider immediate regressions or negative blowback from users if it's not within the area of expertise of the guy who ships the change. That is despite their other teams (especially alignment) having a track record of being fairly well thought-out and intelligent. To the guys at Anthropic's product teams, every problem is a data science problem that you slap an A/B test onto, and they seem to think that the A/B test is all that's needed, and actual verification and thinking things through is overrated af. That's what leads to countless regressions in Claude Code as well as removing claude code from the pro plan in their product page for a few hours (lol).

ffsm8 6mo ago
Tbf, their harness was surprisingly ahead of the curve for most of the last year.. Are this point, the difference is mostly made up by issues like the OP has, so you're likely better off using eg pi (-agent) and writing your own custom skills and extensions (or any of the other harnesses the providers create, even copilot-cli has gotten decent nowadays)
- karlgkk 6mo ago
  > Tbf, their harness was surprisingly ahead of the curve for most of the last year.. Yeah and now it’s not. We’ll see if they have the product ability to retake the lead, although I suspect not.
  - DANmode 6mo ago
    Who’s currently offering a better harness in your opinion?
    - 6mo ago