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A culture that wants to "economically strangel" another/a different civilization is not good for the world. And it puts a lie to China's claim of "peaceful rise
by keepamovin 6mo ago
A culture that wants to "economically strangel" another/a different civilization is not good for the world. And it puts a lie to China's claim of "peaceful rise" and "common prosperity". Seeing the ethno-supremacist behaviors clearly is a good correction for the world. Collectivism cultures typically have lower outgroup empathy, which makes them "vulnerable" to forming this kind of hostility, I guess.
The path you forsee may not even be good for China. Many other nations have falled into the trap of genetic supremacy based domination behavior - Germany and Japan. Both were also "brutally efficient". Both were stopped.
This rolls back in history as a repeated pattern (Apartheid, Spanish, Umayyad, Mongols, Sparta). All are no more. I think the future of humanity is that we are destined to be resilient cooperative mixed-race species - much to the chagrin of the ethnic puritans of this age.
Civilizations that are founded on individualism, and value-based, rather than clade-based inclusion - are probably going to be more resilient long term. In a sense the clade-based self-dealing you describe is a form of internal corruption - as its merit is bounded by genetics.
The higher empathy of individualist cultures is also an advantage, in peace and war. Collectivists have higher empathy for the ingroup than outgroup. Individualist cultures have good ToM across the groups: making them both better friends, and worse deliberate enemies to have. Collectivist cultures lower ToM for outgroups makes them more enemy-like by default, but less efficient at being enemies deliberately.
- jqpabc123 6mo agoI don't necessarily disagree with your moral judgments. I just don't think they carry much weight in China. The problem for the west is how to address this.
- keepamovin 6mo agoYou're chinese?
- jqpabc123 6mo agoNo. I simply recognize the ineffectiveness of moral judgments against marketplace economics. It's like trying to stop the trade in illegal narcotics by labeling it wrong or bad. Most people may agree but that isn't going to stop it.
- keepamovin 6mo agoI get you want it to be that way, but that’s not how it is. These are not 'moral judgements', and they’re not 'mine', they’re moral facts, objective about the behavior of Chinese people in this age. And saying 'market economics' as if it’s out of anyone’s control, is false: it’s the choices of Chinese people. And they have responsibility for whether they are moral or immoral choices. And the morality of it is what contributes to the consequences. So if Chinese doesn’t want to get stopped like the previous ethno-nationalist bullies of the past, then they better act morally, in a way that's good for the world.