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It's really clear that businesses are hoping to replace people with AI. In an industry that is already very difficult to make a stable living in, and troubled w

by ehnto 6mo ago

It's really clear that businesses are hoping to replace people with AI. In an industry that is already very difficult to make a stable living in, and troubled with regular plagiarism, is it really that surprising that any encroachment of AI into that space would be met with backlash? Even if you can see how individual circumstances could be beneficial to your workflow, it's a general direction I think many take issue with quite fairly.

Joel_Mckay 6mo ago
Businesses have already replaced several background artists gambling on the uncopyrightable status of "AI" output being ignored. In a comercial setting, one can't sell what they never owned in the first place. Without a constant stream of stolen training data, the "AI" piracy bleed-through and isomorphic plagiarism business model is unsustainable. We look forward to liquidating the GPU data-centers at a heavy discount. =3
- locknitpicker 6mo ago
  > Businesses have already replaced several background artists gambling on the uncopyrightable status of "AI" output being ignored. In a comercial setting, one can't sell what they never owned in the first place. I'm skeptical of this line of reasoning. Major content providers have no problem with copyright, even when content is completely produced by anonymous contributors. Is this supposed to become an issue when you eliminate some anonymous contributors?
  - Joel_Mckay 6mo ago
    >Major content providers have no problem with copyright Besides getting sued for piracy, settling out-of-court with Disney, and or externalizing DMCA/RIAA take-down liabilities on users. A human may transfer rights or "license" to another party in many circumstances, but may not re-sell a codified Coca-Cola logo trademark out of convenience. All levels of the US courts concluded an "AI" can't transfer nor actually create content rights. Most WIPO members also seemed to follow the same consensus. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260414-the-monkey-selfie-that-predicted-the-ai-age https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260414-the-monkey-selfi... There was a similar issue with folks selling marginally pitch-shifted audio assets on the Unity and Web stores. Note, they didn't have the original legal right to license this content, and customers would get their content flagged eventually. Some kids are cheeky pirating Sony and BBC libraries... exploiting peoples assumption buying an old CD set somehow magically gives the holder broadcast or game distribution rights. Keep being skeptical, as it will keep you in business. =3
    - yorwba 6mo ago
      Not owning the rights to some content and somebody else owning those rights are not the same thing. If someone else owns the copyright and you redistribute their stuff without permission, they have grounds to sue you. If nobody owns the copyright, because it expired long ago or because it came into being without human creative input, you can sell it just fine. So can everyone else, of course. Now, if you put your own stuff on top, that you own the copyright to, those other people can no longer redistribute it without your permission, but you can. So there's hardly any risk in using uncopyrightable background art.
      - Joel_Mckay 6mo ago
        Unless the "AI" content output is fundamentally unable to prevent piracy of other peoples content (it demonstrably can't even on a CEO live stream.) Most models will happily spew any statistically salient trademark, copyrighted and or patented code/music/images/video. Note too, GPL/LGPL is a contaminating license, so legal submarines will surface sooner or later if injected into closed-source projects. The "how" it happens part is just legally irrelevant "[piracy] with extra steps", but if you are interested in details see below. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhgYMH6n004 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhgYMH6n004 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taylor-swift-ai-voice-likeness-trademark/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taylor-swift-ai-voice-likeness-... Here is a simplified explanation of how vector search is done in many models: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDdKiQNw80c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDdKiQNw80c And a more detailed toy implementation to learn how to build your own: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUE3FSIk46g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUE3FSIk46g
        locknitpicker 6mo ago
        > Unless the "AI" content output is fundamentally unable to prevent piracy of other peoples content (...) Your comment makes no sense. The whole concept of "piracy" is meaningless when applied to LLMs, unless you go way out of your way to prompt models to output specific works verbatim. Also, you do not "pirate" Harry Potter if you prompt a model to generate a story that directly or indirectly involves Harry Potter in any way. Like always. You can argue trademark violations or copyright violations if someone tries to use said work for commercial purposes, but LLMs are orthogonal concepts. Just because Photoshop allows you to hack together variants of the coca-cola logo that does not mean Adobe is liable for trademarks or copyright violations.
locknitpicker 6mo ago
> It's really clear that businesses are hoping to replace people with AI. In an industry that is already very difficult to make a stable living in, and troubled with regular plagiarism, is it really that surprising that any encroachment of AI into that space would be met with backlash? But what's the plan, then? Prevent any third party from downloading Blender and integrate it in any way with an agent?
- intended 6mo ago
  At this stage there is just protest and reaction.
- ehnto 6mo ago
  An actual plan would involve regulation, otherwise we are just complaining loudly while things march on anyway. I fully expect things to march on anyway. I have no idea how it plays out for creative industries, I am still thinking and observing in that regard.
  - joquarky 6mo ago
    Who gets to write the regulations?

by ehnto 6mo ago

Joel_Mckay 6mo ago

Businesses have already replaced several background artists gambling on the uncopyrightable status of "AI" output being ignored. In a comercial setting, one can't sell what they never owned in the first place. Without a constant stream of stolen training data, the "AI" piracy bleed-through and isomorphic plagiarism business model is unsustainable. We look forward to liquidating the GPU data-centers at a heavy discount. =3

locknitpicker 6mo ago
> Businesses have already replaced several background artists gambling on the uncopyrightable status of "AI" output being ignored. In a comercial setting, one can't sell what they never owned in the first place. I'm skeptical of this line of reasoning. Major content providers have no problem with copyright, even when content is completely produced by anonymous contributors. Is this supposed to become an issue when you eliminate some anonymous contributors?
- Joel_Mckay 6mo ago
  >Major content providers have no problem with copyright Besides getting sued for piracy, settling out-of-court with Disney, and or externalizing DMCA/RIAA take-down liabilities on users. A human may transfer rights or "license" to another party in many circumstances, but may not re-sell a codified Coca-Cola logo trademark out of convenience. All levels of the US courts concluded an "AI" can't transfer nor actually create content rights. Most WIPO members also seemed to follow the same consensus. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260414-the-monkey-selfie-that-predicted-the-ai-age https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260414-the-monkey-selfi... There was a similar issue with folks selling marginally pitch-shifted audio assets on the Unity and Web stores. Note, they didn't have the original legal right to license this content, and customers would get their content flagged eventually. Some kids are cheeky pirating Sony and BBC libraries... exploiting peoples assumption buying an old CD set somehow magically gives the holder broadcast or game distribution rights. Keep being skeptical, as it will keep you in business. =3
  - yorwba 6mo ago
    Not owning the rights to some content and somebody else owning those rights are not the same thing. If someone else owns the copyright and you redistribute their stuff without permission, they have grounds to sue you. If nobody owns the copyright, because it expired long ago or because it came into being without human creative input, you can sell it just fine. So can everyone else, of course. Now, if you put your own stuff on top, that you own the copyright to, those other people can no longer redistribute it without your permission, but you can. So there's hardly any risk in using uncopyrightable background art.
    - Joel_Mckay 6mo ago
      Unless the "AI" content output is fundamentally unable to prevent piracy of other peoples content (it demonstrably can't even on a CEO live stream.) Most models will happily spew any statistically salient trademark, copyrighted and or patented code/music/images/video. Note too, GPL/LGPL is a contaminating license, so legal submarines will surface sooner or later if injected into closed-source projects. The "how" it happens part is just legally irrelevant "[piracy] with extra steps", but if you are interested in details see below. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhgYMH6n004 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhgYMH6n004 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taylor-swift-ai-voice-likeness-trademark/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taylor-swift-ai-voice-likeness-... Here is a simplified explanation of how vector search is done in many models: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDdKiQNw80c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDdKiQNw80c And a more detailed toy implementation to learn how to build your own: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUE3FSIk46g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUE3FSIk46g
      - locknitpicker 6mo ago
        > Unless the "AI" content output is fundamentally unable to prevent piracy of other peoples content (...) Your comment makes no sense. The whole concept of "piracy" is meaningless when applied to LLMs, unless you go way out of your way to prompt models to output specific works verbatim. Also, you do not "pirate" Harry Potter if you prompt a model to generate a story that directly or indirectly involves Harry Potter in any way. Like always. You can argue trademark violations or copyright violations if someone tries to use said work for commercial purposes, but LLMs are orthogonal concepts. Just because Photoshop allows you to hack together variants of the coca-cola logo that does not mean Adobe is liable for trademarks or copyright violations.

locknitpicker 6mo ago

> It's really clear that businesses are hoping to replace people with AI. In an industry that is already very difficult to make a stable living in, and troubled with regular plagiarism, is it really that surprising that any encroachment of AI into that space would be met with backlash? But what's the plan, then? Prevent any third party from downloading Blender and integrate it in any way with an agent?

intended 6mo ago
At this stage there is just protest and reaction.
ehnto 6mo ago
An actual plan would involve regulation, otherwise we are just complaining loudly while things march on anyway. I fully expect things to march on anyway. I have no idea how it plays out for creative industries, I am still thinking and observing in that regard.
- joquarky 6mo ago
  Who gets to write the regulations?