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Even when Israel strikes first, someone else started it. Brilliant!

grumple 5mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_confl...
- huntertwo 5mo ago
  First paragraph > On 1 April, Israel bombed an Iranian consulate complex in Damascus, Syria, killing multiple senior Iranian officials.[28] In response, Iran and its Axis of Resistance allies seized the Israeli-linked ship MSC Aries and launched strikes inside Israel on 13 April.[6] Not to mention, Israeli occupations in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. Iran is not the only bad actor.
  - grumple 5mo ago
    Yes, they hit the building in Syria where Iran and proxy military leadership were meeting two weeks prior. That’s a lot different than attacking another country directly, let alone recklessly targeting civilians as Iran has in every attack they’ve led or had proxies lead. And it's really important that you understand this was after 45 years of proxy warfare by the Islamic regime against Israel, which resulted in tens of thousands of Israeli dead. This was entirely instigated by the Islamic regime - Iran was friendly with Israel prior to the Islamic revolution. Israel did not pick the fight with Iran, Iran picked the fight with Israel and has maintained it for decades because it drives support for their regime - the holy war is great motivation for the cultists.
- stogot 5mo ago
  That’s 2024, you said the proxies started it in 2023?
  - breppp 5mo ago
    https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained-in-iran-before-oct-7-attacks-e2a8dbb9 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained... https://israel-alma.org/special-report-for-years-iran-planned-a-simultaneous-invasion-of-israel-only-one-was-carried-out/ https://israel-alma.org/special-report-for-years-iran-planne... There was extensive planning for a multi front attack including Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. The story of this war is the previous idea in Israel that you could work out with an extremely religious enemy at the border as underneath their claiming to want to destroy you, they are rational. After Hamas decided to go on a national suicide for no achievement except for a single day of an orgy of violence and the complete destruction of gaza, that view has changed. This puts Hezbollah similar to Hamas, and their patron Iran ballistic and nuclear weapon program in a different light, and makes preemptive strikes and the complete destruction of the Iranian Axis (largely successful) as an important goal for Israel
  - grumple 5mo ago
    Yes, this was about the direct strikes between Iran and Israel. I assumed you were aware of the most widely publicized conflict in human history, but just in case you’re serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
sysguest 5mo ago
hmm isn't the whole thing a continuation of "revenge against hamas's attack on Oct 7th 2023" ? hamas being a proxy to iran, I don't get why people think iran as some "peace loving, innocent country" well, are they? raping/killing some *foreigners* and displaying their bodies as parade... well that's not very "peace loving and innocent" is it?
- huntertwo 5mo ago
  When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor. How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough? Israel killed >50k civilians since October 7 between all the conflicts Revenge is not a justification for destroying civilizations. Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.
  - sysguest 5mo ago
    > Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge. well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? > When you make a ceasefire and then strike first well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree? I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a huge political/PR mistake but... how's that ceasefire related? is israel a proxy of usa? does Trump control israel directly? Ethically, the israel politicians goes at great length NOT to damage civilians: the walkie-talkie bomb is a classic example of "try to kill all the militants WITHOUT carpet bombing" (though they failed to "kill all" with that scheme, and... well they did bomb a lot after that)
    - justsomehnguy 5mo ago
      > well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? Ah, this is where you draw the line?
      - sysguest 5mo ago
UltraSane 5mo ago
Iran has been using Hezbollah to attack Israel for over 30 years now. The explicit goal of Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas is the destruction of Israel.
- b345 5mo ago
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  - grumple 5mo ago
    Israel only ended up in Lebanon due to PLO attacks from Lebanon. Hezbollah is responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Lebanese and Syrians. They are much better at killing other Arabs than Israelis. They are a tool for Shia clerics and Iran, not a legitimate force for good in any way.
  - UltraSane 5mo ago
    "Hezbollah was created to stop illegal Israeli occupation of Lebanon" Hezbollah fires thousands of rockets at Israel civilians. They actually murdered 12 Syrian Druze children playing soccer because they just love firing rockets so indiscriminately at Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack
fortran77 5mo ago
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- franczesko 5mo ago
  You don't have to support Iran, to condemn Israel.
  - razster 5mo ago
    Agreed. One doesn’t dictate the other’s signal—step away from the monitor, let the noise fade, and you’ll notice they’re running on parallel tracks.
- razster 5mo ago
  This sentiment strikes me as somewhat beneath the usual caliber I see here. Perhaps it would serve you well to step away from the keyboard for a while: take a walk, grab a drink at a bar, enjoy a quiet evening, and allow some real-world perspective to settle in.
  - fortran77 5mo ago
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- DaSHacka 5mo ago
  Lol you mean until two years from now, when tides will inevitably shift? The so-called "Zion-don" won't be in office forever, despite what he seems to believe. Look at the polling. The current U.S. stance on Iran and Israel is extremely unpopular. It's only a matter of time before a natural course correction occurs, and the voters' voice is heard, whether at the upcoming midterms or the next presidential election. And let me tell you, if you think HN is bad, you better not check Zoomer social media.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_confl...

huntertwo 5mo ago
First paragraph > On 1 April, Israel bombed an Iranian consulate complex in Damascus, Syria, killing multiple senior Iranian officials.[28] In response, Iran and its Axis of Resistance allies seized the Israeli-linked ship MSC Aries and launched strikes inside Israel on 13 April.[6] Not to mention, Israeli occupations in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. Iran is not the only bad actor.
- grumple 5mo ago
  Yes, they hit the building in Syria where Iran and proxy military leadership were meeting two weeks prior. That’s a lot different than attacking another country directly, let alone recklessly targeting civilians as Iran has in every attack they’ve led or had proxies lead. And it's really important that you understand this was after 45 years of proxy warfare by the Islamic regime against Israel, which resulted in tens of thousands of Israeli dead. This was entirely instigated by the Islamic regime - Iran was friendly with Israel prior to the Islamic revolution. Israel did not pick the fight with Iran, Iran picked the fight with Israel and has maintained it for decades because it drives support for their regime - the holy war is great motivation for the cultists.
stogot 5mo ago
That’s 2024, you said the proxies started it in 2023?
- breppp 5mo ago
  https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained-in-iran-before-oct-7-attacks-e2a8dbb9 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained... https://israel-alma.org/special-report-for-years-iran-planned-a-simultaneous-invasion-of-israel-only-one-was-carried-out/ https://israel-alma.org/special-report-for-years-iran-planne... There was extensive planning for a multi front attack including Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. The story of this war is the previous idea in Israel that you could work out with an extremely religious enemy at the border as underneath their claiming to want to destroy you, they are rational. After Hamas decided to go on a national suicide for no achievement except for a single day of an orgy of violence and the complete destruction of gaza, that view has changed. This puts Hezbollah similar to Hamas, and their patron Iran ballistic and nuclear weapon program in a different light, and makes preemptive strikes and the complete destruction of the Iranian Axis (largely successful) as an important goal for Israel
- grumple 5mo ago
  Yes, this was about the direct strikes between Iran and Israel. I assumed you were aware of the most widely publicized conflict in human history, but just in case you’re serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks

sysguest 5mo ago

hmm isn't the whole thing a continuation of "revenge against hamas's attack on Oct 7th 2023" ? hamas being a proxy to iran, I don't get why people think iran as some "peace loving, innocent country" well, are they? raping/killing some *foreigners* and displaying their bodies as parade... well that's not very "peace loving and innocent" is it?

huntertwo 5mo ago
When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor. How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough? Israel killed >50k civilians since October 7 between all the conflicts Revenge is not a justification for destroying civilizations. Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.
- sysguest 5mo ago
  > Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge. well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? > When you make a ceasefire and then strike first well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree? I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a huge political/PR mistake but... how's that ceasefire related? is israel a proxy of usa? does Trump control israel directly? Ethically, the israel politicians goes at great length NOT to damage civilians: the walkie-talkie bomb is a classic example of "try to kill all the militants WITHOUT carpet bombing" (though they failed to "kill all" with that scheme, and... well they did bomb a lot after that)
  - justsomehnguy 5mo ago
    > well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? Ah, this is where you draw the line?
    - sysguest 5mo ago

UltraSane 5mo ago

Iran has been using Hezbollah to attack Israel for over 30 years now. The explicit goal of Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas is the destruction of Israel.

b345 5mo ago
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- grumple 5mo ago
  Israel only ended up in Lebanon due to PLO attacks from Lebanon. Hezbollah is responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Lebanese and Syrians. They are much better at killing other Arabs than Israelis. They are a tool for Shia clerics and Iran, not a legitimate force for good in any way.
- UltraSane 5mo ago
  "Hezbollah was created to stop illegal Israeli occupation of Lebanon" Hezbollah fires thousands of rockets at Israel civilians. They actually murdered 12 Syrian Druze children playing soccer because they just love firing rockets so indiscriminately at Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack

fortran77 5mo ago

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franczesko 5mo ago
You don't have to support Iran, to condemn Israel.
- razster 5mo ago
  Agreed. One doesn’t dictate the other’s signal—step away from the monitor, let the noise fade, and you’ll notice they’re running on parallel tracks.
razster 5mo ago
This sentiment strikes me as somewhat beneath the usual caliber I see here. Perhaps it would serve you well to step away from the keyboard for a while: take a walk, grab a drink at a bar, enjoy a quiet evening, and allow some real-world perspective to settle in.
- fortran77 5mo ago
  [flagged]
DaSHacka 5mo ago
Lol you mean until two years from now, when tides will inevitably shift? The so-called "Zion-don" won't be in office forever, despite what he seems to believe. Look at the polling. The current U.S. stance on Iran and Israel is extremely unpopular. It's only a matter of time before a natural course correction occurs, and the voters' voice is heard, whether at the upcoming midterms or the next presidential election. And let me tell you, if you think HN is bad, you better not check Zoomer social media.
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