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Wonder what will be the consequences of this. I dislike Denuvo for the performance and stability penalties it gives games, but I do wonder if the "security" it
by Daedren 5mo ago
Wonder what will be the consequences of this. I dislike Denuvo for the performance and stability penalties it gives games, but I do wonder if the "security" it gave publishers wasn't a big part of the reason why we've been getting more and more big name games on PC.
This isn't about being right or wrong but about what the publishers will do when they see their games are again getting cracked day one, and if it'll be a catalyst to again return to getting either less PC releases or at least delayed releases compared to consoles.
I will hope that does not happen.
- cyanydeez 5mo agoi think your underwstimating the anticheat value that still exists. many of the online games are trash when theres not strict cheat control.
- johng 5mo agoThis. There are a lot of online games I loved playing but the cheating got so bad it made it impossible to play. MW1, MW2, Battlefield, CS, etc... you could see the wallhacks and aimbots taking over every lobby. I eventually stopped playing. I tried using Consoles for online gaming after that but never really got into using joysticks.... still prefer mouse and keyboard. Now I play limited games where the cheating isn't quite that rampant.
- jospeh554 5mo agoIm not a big gamer, but playing GTA Online, and getting taken out as soon as you spawn. Or items just spawning in front of you, like ramps. REALLY ruins the experience
- ChoGGi 5mo agoOr everyone in the lobby getting nuked over and over. Or trying to do heists and having a cheater in every session. I'd like to play the game again but it's just not fun.
- trallnag 5mo agoThere are still some servers online for games like the first CoD or United Offensive. No hackers as far I can tell anymore. They have all moved on
- MrDrMcCoy 5mo agoRun anti-cheat server-side. Give us private servers again. There's no reason we should have to put up with client-side rootkits written by non-kernel-devs to play a game.
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- will4274 5mo agoIt's not possible, technically, to run effective anti-cheat server-side. Clients need precise enemy location data for things like sound effects. The server can't tell if the client is using the data for unfair purposes or not.
- sadeshmukh 5mo agoOnce the data is sent to the client, in an untrusted setting, all bets are off. Not your hardware, no control over it.
- MrDrMcCoy 5mo agoToo bad. It's not possible for rootkits to be a good idea for a video game.
- eikenberry 5mo agoCheating is a social issue, not a technical one. Communities are the solution. Private servers are a nice way to do this and do still exist in places. My favorite online game uses them along with server side anti-cheat and while cheating occasionally happens, it has never been an ongoing issue. I've maybe seen a cheater once or twice in all my many hours playing the game over 10 years (elite dangerous, in case you were curious).
- ThatPlayer 5mo agoCommunity servers don't want server-side anti-cheat either. Hell they invented client-side anti-cheats back in the day. Even current day community servers like Face-IT have additional anti-cheats, not less. Same with modded GTAV FiveM (even before the main game added anti-cheats)
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- altairprime 5mo agoDenuvo’s market is ‘first 90 days’ revenue protection, not lifelong revenue protection. Lots of games using their crap remove it after a few months to shut down the flood of support issues the DRM causes. If only Microsoft hadn’t fucked up so badly with Windows 11 requiring an account, they’d have a way to stop using it altogether.
- akimbostrawman 5mo ago>Lots of games using their crap remove it after a few months to shut down the flood of support issues the DRM causes. No, the overwhelming majority of denuvo games released after ~2020 (when they changed there licensing model to SaaS) have it removed after 2-4 years not because of user complaints but because of licensing costs, contracts and compliance. If anything with many games it is very clear that the developer/publisher do not care for the user, since even when the DRM gets broken and has lost its purposes, many still refuse to remove it and give paying customers the same better non DRM experience as pirates. >If only Microsoft hadn’t fucked up so badly with Windows 11 requiring an account I don't understand how that is related at all.
- kakacik 5mo agoUntrue, where are all the after-90-days-hacked AAA games? Nowhere, denuvo lives on as long as publisher is willing to pay continuous licence, which is usually years. And users complaining because denuvo messes up their Windows, sometimes games don't run and so on? Just cost of doing business, as long as enough people buy it who cares.
- Fabricio20 5mo agoThis is not true at all as evidenced by the fact that most games do not get Denuvo removed once they are cracked. And the companies that DO remove denuvo only do so after several years because of licensing costs as denuvo transitioned to a SaaS model.
- Ferret7446 5mo agoI feel like the "first 90 days" is just because games no longer include a demo, so they force players to commit to a purchase before a wide consensus forms. A lot of people pirate simply to try the game out. Most people who can afford the game would then purchase the game if it were good.
- pier25 5mo agoI honestly doubt it will make much of a difference. A good percentage of people who would download the cracked games would not have bought those anyway. And with Steam being so convenient it's hard to decide to go for a cracked copy of dubious origin that might install god knows what into your machine. We're not in the early 00s anymore.
- TiredOfLife 5mo ago> performance and stability penalties There are none. Or rather they fall in the margin of error.