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Our expense is roughly around 12.3 software developers when you break it down across all people related expenses. But we've spent alot of time and energy prior

Our expense is roughly around 12.3 software developers when you break it down across all people related expenses. But we've spent alot of time and energy prior to this focusing on our ability to measure our software development output across multiple teams. The delivery improvements are not evenly applied across all teams, but the increases that we have seen suggest a better ROI than if we had hired 12 developers.

protonbob 5mo ago
I guess if you think about your teammates as purely inputs and outputs and not people that can improve and contribute in the workplace in other ways.
- SimianSci 5mo ago
  Respectfully, After a certain level of compensation, you are indeed judged purely off of input and output. Workplace improvement does not justify your salary. You will also find that many problems in the harder sciences do not get easier by throwing more bodies at them. Comments like these remind me that some project managers think they'd be able to delivery a baby in 1 month if they simply had 9 women.
  - oarsinsync 5mo ago
    > Respectfully, After a certain level of compensation, you are indeed judged purely off of input and output. Workplace improvement does not justify your salary. I'd have to disagree. There's a narrow band in the middle where that's true, but once you exceed that, your personal inputs and outputs matter less and less, and the contributions you make to the overall workplace, and how well you enable those around you, make a larger part of why you're compensated. Even as an IC, the more you're able to mentor and elevate the people around you, the more your compensation will grow (if you're in the right place, and thus already at the right earnings bracket)
  - paganel 5mo ago
    > you are indeed judged purely off of input and output That's not how successful (software, in this case) teams are made.
    - SimianSci 5mo ago
      I would agree if the team im on were still growing/scaling. However we are well past our scaling phase, and at this point our concern is maintaining multi-million dollar contracts with a tight well-compensated team.
- midasz 5mo ago
  It's genuinely hilarious how the same leadership pushing for RTO because getting people together creates magic, seems to have no issues trading those same people out for LLM's churning at specs.
  - maxrev17 5mo ago
    Haha nail on head so the motive for ‘get your ass back in the office’ was never the motive we all heard

protonbob 5mo ago

I guess if you think about your teammates as purely inputs and outputs and not people that can improve and contribute in the workplace in other ways.

SimianSci 5mo ago
Respectfully, After a certain level of compensation, you are indeed judged purely off of input and output. Workplace improvement does not justify your salary. You will also find that many problems in the harder sciences do not get easier by throwing more bodies at them. Comments like these remind me that some project managers think they'd be able to delivery a baby in 1 month if they simply had 9 women.
- oarsinsync 5mo ago
  > Respectfully, After a certain level of compensation, you are indeed judged purely off of input and output. Workplace improvement does not justify your salary. I'd have to disagree. There's a narrow band in the middle where that's true, but once you exceed that, your personal inputs and outputs matter less and less, and the contributions you make to the overall workplace, and how well you enable those around you, make a larger part of why you're compensated. Even as an IC, the more you're able to mentor and elevate the people around you, the more your compensation will grow (if you're in the right place, and thus already at the right earnings bracket)
- paganel 5mo ago
  > you are indeed judged purely off of input and output That's not how successful (software, in this case) teams are made.
  - SimianSci 5mo ago
    I would agree if the team im on were still growing/scaling. However we are well past our scaling phase, and at this point our concern is maintaining multi-million dollar contracts with a tight well-compensated team.
midasz 5mo ago
It's genuinely hilarious how the same leadership pushing for RTO because getting people together creates magic, seems to have no issues trading those same people out for LLM's churning at specs.
- maxrev17 5mo ago
  Haha nail on head so the motive for ‘get your ass back in the office’ was never the motive we all heard