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Sure, more people would use them, but it doesn't mean that the majority of people would trade normal housing with dedicated bathrooms (that are used only for a

Sure, more people would use them, but it doesn't mean that the majority of people would trade normal housing with dedicated bathrooms (that are used only for a fraction of the day) for that. Normal housing market didn't die when dorms were legal to construct. The savings that can be made from living in a tiny box with a shared bathroom instead of a regular American house are extreme and are much bigger than savings from not owning a car. Do you seriously think that will convince people and we will see the death of dedicated housing units in the near future?

tristanj 6mo ago
I ran the numbers. Car ownership today @ 15,000 miles per year costs $1,003/mo. Traveling the same distance with AV would cost $520/mo. Monthly savings are $483/mo or around $5,800/yr. See I'd agree with your argument if the savings were small, basically nobody is giving up their car for 10% savings, but these savings are very significant. Car ownership costs are the second biggest expense for most households after rent, and self-driving cars cut this in half. I can see many households downsizing, and instead of owning 2-3 cars, only owning 1 and replacing those trips with self-driving rideshare fleet vehicles. Especially for the younger generation - teens today drive far fewer miles than ever, which skews the costs away from car ownership even futher. I predict many will not get their own individual car, they'll just rideshare.
- dgroshev 6mo ago
  > Car ownership costs are the second biggest expense for most households after rent, and self-driving cars cut this in half. Living in a hostel with a shared bathroom can cut the biggest expense (rent) by more than half. Would you?
  - tristanj 6mo ago
    > Living in a hostel with a shared bathroom can cut the biggest expense (rent) by more than half. I don't believe you. Run the numbers for me for a private room at a hostel in NYC or SF, and get back to me.

tristanj 6mo ago

I ran the numbers. Car ownership today @ 15,000 miles per year costs $1,003/mo. Traveling the same distance with AV would cost $520/mo. Monthly savings are $483/mo or around $5,800/yr. See I'd agree with your argument if the savings were small, basically nobody is giving up their car for 10% savings, but these savings are very significant. Car ownership costs are the second biggest expense for most households after rent, and self-driving cars cut this in half. I can see many households downsizing, and instead of owning 2-3 cars, only owning 1 and replacing those trips with self-driving rideshare fleet vehicles. Especially for the younger generation - teens today drive far fewer miles than ever, which skews the costs away from car ownership even futher. I predict many will not get their own individual car, they'll just rideshare.

dgroshev 6mo ago
> Car ownership costs are the second biggest expense for most households after rent, and self-driving cars cut this in half. Living in a hostel with a shared bathroom can cut the biggest expense (rent) by more than half. Would you?
- tristanj 6mo ago
  > Living in a hostel with a shared bathroom can cut the biggest expense (rent) by more than half. I don't believe you. Run the numbers for me for a private room at a hostel in NYC or SF, and get back to me.