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Or /e/

by theK 5mo ago

Or /e/

Cider9986 5mo ago
GrapheneOS is significantly more secure, more private, and more free. Not sure why you would use /e/.
- rstat1 5mo ago
  and limited to one type of device that not everyone can get or wants.
  - subscribed 5mo ago
    Only because this is the one family of the devices secure enough to even bother with software security. It's not their fault (plus since 2027 we expect the first Motorola handset secure enough tu be supported by GOS) And at least they don't cheat on patches :)
- theK 5mo ago
  Well, for one you can actually buy an /e/ device right now. Also, once you have it, it just works. Some people like that.
  - easterncalculus 5mo ago
    If there's one thing I've learned about the custom Android community (and to a lesser extent, the Android community) it's that "it actually works" isn't really important or convincing to them.
  - Cider9986 5mo ago
    >Well, for one you can actually buy an /e/ device right now. Also, once you have it, it just works. Does that not apply to GOS?
  - microtonal 5mo ago
    You get a device that still runs proprietary Google blobs in privileged processes (for Play Integrity), talks a lot with Google, gives certain Google applications (like Google Maps) higher privileges than normal Android apps (you can find the signing keys of apps that get elevated privileges in the source code of the /e/OS microG fork), uploads your speech to OpenAI for speech to text, uses a shady middleman (which they do not want to reveal the owner of) for installing F-Droid apps [1], and is hopelessly behind on Linux kernel versions, firmware blobs, and Android security patches (remember that Android Security Bulletins only have backports of high/critical patches). I wouldn't recommend anyone to use /e/OS. Either they are very incompetent or they are very shady. [1] https://info.cleanapk.org https://info.cleanapk.org
    - theK 5mo ago
      That link you shared in your other comment actually counters your "runs google blobs" argument. Speech to text is afaik completely anonymized and if you care that much, it actually is possible to just not use it, rip it out or even replace it with something that runs locally in your home. > hopelessly behind on Linux kernel versions Can you substantiate that? Given that many OEMs still run linux 4 and 5 in their Flagship ROMs today, I'd like to see how open source does so much worse.
- xigoi 5mo ago
  Because in order to use Graphene, you have to financially support the same company that is making Android less free.
  - kitd 5mo ago
    Google could invest in Graphene as a hedge.
  - sterlind 5mo ago
    they're working on it. GrapheneOS has serious plans to get a phone made for them. even more serious now that Google has become openly hostile to their project by no longer publishing the Pixel device tree when new releases come out.
  - microtonal 5mo ago
    At the end of the cycle of a Pixel model, they are heavily discounted. So much that it's probably close to hardware + development cost. Google probably expects to make a profit from Google One subscriptions, Play purchases, and ads. By installing GrapheneOS, you are giving them nothing.
- theK 5mo ago
  I can see the alure of having a very secure mobile device and can understand why you personally wouldn't see a reason to use anything else. But Graphene requires too much fidling to get spouse approval. /e/ might not be as secure as GrapheneOS but it is at least as secure as everything else. Plus it actively helps you preserve your privacy and use self hosted services.
microtonal 5mo ago
/e/OS is not (y)our friend. The CEO of Murena says that security hardening is only pedophiles and spies: https://mastodon.social/@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social/116353977263200653 https://mastodon.social/@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social/116353... https://www.clubic.com/actualite-604786-murena-e-os-interview.html https://www.clubic.com/actualite-604786-murena-e-os-intervie... They spread the same narrative as the governments/organizations that push Chat Control, age verification, etc.
- theK 5mo ago
  Weird way to promote the /e/ project. Your first sentence and that last link are practically at war with each other.

Or /e/

by theK 5mo ago

Or /e/

Cider9986 5mo ago

GrapheneOS is significantly more secure, more private, and more free. Not sure why you would use /e/.

rstat1 5mo ago
and limited to one type of device that not everyone can get or wants.
- subscribed 5mo ago
  Only because this is the one family of the devices secure enough to even bother with software security. It's not their fault (plus since 2027 we expect the first Motorola handset secure enough tu be supported by GOS) And at least they don't cheat on patches :)
theK 5mo ago
Well, for one you can actually buy an /e/ device right now. Also, once you have it, it just works. Some people like that.
- easterncalculus 5mo ago
  If there's one thing I've learned about the custom Android community (and to a lesser extent, the Android community) it's that "it actually works" isn't really important or convincing to them.
- Cider9986 5mo ago
  >Well, for one you can actually buy an /e/ device right now. Also, once you have it, it just works. Does that not apply to GOS?
- microtonal 5mo ago
  You get a device that still runs proprietary Google blobs in privileged processes (for Play Integrity), talks a lot with Google, gives certain Google applications (like Google Maps) higher privileges than normal Android apps (you can find the signing keys of apps that get elevated privileges in the source code of the /e/OS microG fork), uploads your speech to OpenAI for speech to text, uses a shady middleman (which they do not want to reveal the owner of) for installing F-Droid apps [1], and is hopelessly behind on Linux kernel versions, firmware blobs, and Android security patches (remember that Android Security Bulletins only have backports of high/critical patches). I wouldn't recommend anyone to use /e/OS. Either they are very incompetent or they are very shady. [1] https://info.cleanapk.org https://info.cleanapk.org
  - theK 5mo ago
    That link you shared in your other comment actually counters your "runs google blobs" argument. Speech to text is afaik completely anonymized and if you care that much, it actually is possible to just not use it, rip it out or even replace it with something that runs locally in your home. > hopelessly behind on Linux kernel versions Can you substantiate that? Given that many OEMs still run linux 4 and 5 in their Flagship ROMs today, I'd like to see how open source does so much worse.
xigoi 5mo ago
Because in order to use Graphene, you have to financially support the same company that is making Android less free.
- kitd 5mo ago
  Google could invest in Graphene as a hedge.
- sterlind 5mo ago
  they're working on it. GrapheneOS has serious plans to get a phone made for them. even more serious now that Google has become openly hostile to their project by no longer publishing the Pixel device tree when new releases come out.
- microtonal 5mo ago
  At the end of the cycle of a Pixel model, they are heavily discounted. So much that it's probably close to hardware + development cost. Google probably expects to make a profit from Google One subscriptions, Play purchases, and ads. By installing GrapheneOS, you are giving them nothing.
theK 5mo ago
I can see the alure of having a very secure mobile device and can understand why you personally wouldn't see a reason to use anything else. But Graphene requires too much fidling to get spouse approval. /e/ might not be as secure as GrapheneOS but it is at least as secure as everything else. Plus it actively helps you preserve your privacy and use self hosted services.

microtonal 5mo ago

/e/OS is not (y)our friend. The CEO of Murena says that security hardening is only pedophiles and spies: https://mastodon.social/@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social/116353977263200653 https://mastodon.social/@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social/116353... https://www.clubic.com/actualite-604786-murena-e-os-interview.html https://www.clubic.com/actualite-604786-murena-e-os-intervie... They spread the same narrative as the governments/organizations that push Chat Control, age verification, etc.

theK 5mo ago
Weird way to promote the /e/ project. Your first sentence and that last link are practically at war with each other.