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I guess that the reason you don't understand why php is so popular is that you never built anything, you probably just play with the latest cool language buildi

by givan 14y ago

I guess that the reason you don't understand why php is so popular is that you never built anything, you probably just play with the latest cool language building toy projects as a hobby.

Kudos 14y ago
There's no need to be a douche just because the parent was. You're making yourself look like a one language pony.
- givan 14y ago
  PHP being popular is a fact, that doesn't mean that I use or advise using php only. And the fact that lots of people that don't understand that syntactic sugar is not the only thing that matter in a language always bash popular languages that are not "cool" is a very common symptom that describes my previous comment very well. And there is a third fact, that "sensitive" people like you that don't like strong opinions like mine feel the urge to disagree in a way that adds no value to the conversation and ironically call others "douche".
  - Kudos 14y ago
    You extrapolated some fantasy and strawmanned the parent, that makes you a douche. > I guess that the reason you don't understand why php is so popular is that you never built anything. What. > you probably just play with the latest cool language building toy projects as a hobby. Is that meant to be disparaging? It reeks of someone who doesn't know a whole lot beyond the PHP ecosystem. There isn't a dichotomy of PHP and then "cool" languages. I think PHP is useful in certain scenarios but acting like a zealot (or as you like to call it having "strong opinions") over it is fucking stupid.
    - givan 14y ago
      > What. So I guess you also don't understand why PHP is popular. > It reeks of someone who doesn't know a whole lot beyond the PHP ecosystem. You are now making some "fantasy" assumptions. You missed the point from the beginning and now you are trying to take this into mud with all kind of assumptions and insults. I'm stopping here.
      - Kudos 14y ago
        Of course I understand why PHP is popular, I've used it for long enough. My expression of exasperation was at the jumps of logic you were making.
Jach 14y ago
"Look here you little shit," says Bizarro Rich Hickey, "In the last few years I've made a new programming language used by thousands of developers and a powerful new distributed database. What did you build? Before that I did C++ and Java for many years. If I want to insult some aspects of C++ or Java or software engineering methodologies or hey, even PHP, for whatever deficiencies they have (this has nothing to do with popularity!), or if I just want to bemoan the fact these other things are still popular and have glaring deficiencies, I'll damn well do it." I'll submit that BUGHUNTER's comment was really just a less coherent version of this http://briancarper.net/blog/497/im-turning-into-a-lisp-snob http://briancarper.net/blog/497/im-turning-into-a-lisp-snob applied clumsily to the new PHP release, and he's unhelpfully using the rhetorical pattern of "sigh, why PHP?" without elaboration of why he thinks PHP sucks (left to others who are not downvoted to oblivion). I'm glad he's getting downvoted since you can look at past HN threads over the years about PHP and see even less coherent snide (and sometimes just plain asinine) comments being upvoted. I'd agree his post serves little value here. But my main point in this reply is that, how can you tell, unless you know who BUGHUNTER is, that he has probably only ever written toy projects in a "cool" language? Hell, he might even just be a Common Lisp guy, how old is that language now? It's not even the latest coolness! (Has it ever been cool?) It's really easy to turn into a smug lisp weenie even while at the same time building shit: http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/2008/03/my-biggest-lisp-project.html http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/2008/03/my-biggest-lisp-pr... So again, why the personal attack on the supposed lack of coding chops on you presumably don't know?
- givan 14y ago
  It wasn't my intent to make it look like a personal attack. I just tried to summarize the typical person that always pops in this kind of discussions arguing how bad language X is because it has ugly syntax or does not have Y feature. Or look I'm special because I don't use this thing that everybody says is ugly. I think that somebody that truly understand what LISP is all about also understands a lot more about languages and also why dumb, easy to use and popular languages like PHP exists and what are their purpose. All languages have problems but usually they have some features that make it a very good choice for some kind of problem and PHP has the right features to make it a very good language for rapid web app prototyping.

by givan 14y ago

I guess that the reason you don't understand why php is so popular is that you never built anything, you probably just play with the latest cool language building toy projects as a hobby.

Kudos 14y ago

There's no need to be a douche just because the parent was. You're making yourself look like a one language pony.

givan 14y ago
PHP being popular is a fact, that doesn't mean that I use or advise using php only. And the fact that lots of people that don't understand that syntactic sugar is not the only thing that matter in a language always bash popular languages that are not "cool" is a very common symptom that describes my previous comment very well. And there is a third fact, that "sensitive" people like you that don't like strong opinions like mine feel the urge to disagree in a way that adds no value to the conversation and ironically call others "douche".
- Kudos 14y ago
  You extrapolated some fantasy and strawmanned the parent, that makes you a douche. > I guess that the reason you don't understand why php is so popular is that you never built anything. What. > you probably just play with the latest cool language building toy projects as a hobby. Is that meant to be disparaging? It reeks of someone who doesn't know a whole lot beyond the PHP ecosystem. There isn't a dichotomy of PHP and then "cool" languages. I think PHP is useful in certain scenarios but acting like a zealot (or as you like to call it having "strong opinions") over it is fucking stupid.
  - givan 14y ago
    > What. So I guess you also don't understand why PHP is popular. > It reeks of someone who doesn't know a whole lot beyond the PHP ecosystem. You are now making some "fantasy" assumptions. You missed the point from the beginning and now you are trying to take this into mud with all kind of assumptions and insults. I'm stopping here.
    - Kudos 14y ago
      Of course I understand why PHP is popular, I've used it for long enough. My expression of exasperation was at the jumps of logic you were making.

Jach 14y ago

"Look here you little shit," says Bizarro Rich Hickey, "In the last few years I've made a new programming language used by thousands of developers and a powerful new distributed database. What did you build? Before that I did C++ and Java for many years. If I want to insult some aspects of C++ or Java or software engineering methodologies or hey, even PHP, for whatever deficiencies they have (this has nothing to do with popularity!), or if I just want to bemoan the fact these other things are still popular and have glaring deficiencies, I'll damn well do it." I'll submit that BUGHUNTER's comment was really just a less coherent version of this http://briancarper.net/blog/497/im-turning-into-a-lisp-snob http://briancarper.net/blog/497/im-turning-into-a-lisp-snob applied clumsily to the new PHP release, and he's unhelpfully using the rhetorical pattern of "sigh, why PHP?" without elaboration of why he thinks PHP sucks (left to others who are not downvoted to oblivion). I'm glad he's getting downvoted since you can look at past HN threads over the years about PHP and see even less coherent snide (and sometimes just plain asinine) comments being upvoted. I'd agree his post serves little value here. But my main point in this reply is that, how can you tell, unless you know who BUGHUNTER is, that he has probably only ever written toy projects in a "cool" language? Hell, he might even just be a Common Lisp guy, how old is that language now? It's not even the latest coolness! (Has it ever been cool?) It's really easy to turn into a smug lisp weenie even while at the same time building shit: http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/2008/03/my-biggest-lisp-project.html http://smuglispweeny.blogspot.com/2008/03/my-biggest-lisp-pr... So again, why the personal attack on the supposed lack of coding chops on you presumably don't know?

givan 14y ago
It wasn't my intent to make it look like a personal attack. I just tried to summarize the typical person that always pops in this kind of discussions arguing how bad language X is because it has ugly syntax or does not have Y feature. Or look I'm special because I don't use this thing that everybody says is ugly. I think that somebody that truly understand what LISP is all about also understands a lot more about languages and also why dumb, easy to use and popular languages like PHP exists and what are their purpose. All languages have problems but usually they have some features that make it a very good choice for some kind of problem and PHP has the right features to make it a very good language for rapid web app prototyping.