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Yeah, election promises and post-election behavior aren't really correlated in general. I think this administration is worse than the average, but still. Past

by toast0 6mo ago

Yeah, election promises and post-election behavior aren't really correlated in general. I think this administration is worse than the average, but still. Past talking points are not indicative of future behavior.

etchalon 6mo ago
They're generally fairly correlated?
cestith 6mo ago
Lots of politicians fail to deliver. This administration just flat out lied about their priorities.
- slg 6mo ago
  And yet there has been very little about their actual priorities that have been surprising. Anyone who fell for it should do some self-reflection on why they believed those lies when so many other people saw right through them.
- conductr 6mo ago
  The part about them being liars was already well established and common knowledge as well as a major talking point for the other party during the campaign - they still won the election
mandevil 6mo ago
It turns out there is extensive research on this, and you are mistaken. Most politicians actually do try to deliver on their promises. They might get stopped, but they try. https://strathprints.strath.ac.uk/59403/1/Thomson_etal_AJPS_2016_The_fulfillment_of_parties_election_pledges.pdf https://strathprints.strath.ac.uk/59403/1/Thomson_etal_AJPS_... for one quick to find example of the literature on this. Most of the research on this was done before Trump entered office. Trump is a wildly unusual political leader, who is significantly more corrupt than other politicians, promises random things and then fails to deliver them, and generally breaks all of the rules that politicians follow- this is what his supporters describe as his "authenticity", that he "tells it like it is". The more people believe, incorrectly, that "all politicians are corrupt" and "no politicians deliver on their promises" the more likely they are to accept Trump- who again is an extreme outlier among American politicians. Your cynicism actually ends up ruining the country and makes it more likely that we have bad government.
- LocalH 6mo ago
  the reason we have bad government is solely because we're stuck in two silos want real change? vote third party. the problem is the same as that red/blue button thought experiment recently posted to HN. one of the hardest things to do is to get 50% of people to agree with you, so everyone keeps hitting the red button (voting D or R) and nothing changes
LocalH 6mo ago
> Past talking points are not indicative of future behavior. when will we make it illegal for a politician to lie

by toast0 6mo ago

etchalon 6mo ago

They're generally fairly correlated?

cestith 6mo ago

Lots of politicians fail to deliver. This administration just flat out lied about their priorities.

slg 6mo ago
And yet there has been very little about their actual priorities that have been surprising. Anyone who fell for it should do some self-reflection on why they believed those lies when so many other people saw right through them.
conductr 6mo ago
The part about them being liars was already well established and common knowledge as well as a major talking point for the other party during the campaign - they still won the election

mandevil 6mo ago

It turns out there is extensive research on this, and you are mistaken. Most politicians actually do try to deliver on their promises. They might get stopped, but they try. https://strathprints.strath.ac.uk/59403/1/Thomson_etal_AJPS_2016_The_fulfillment_of_parties_election_pledges.pdf https://strathprints.strath.ac.uk/59403/1/Thomson_etal_AJPS_... for one quick to find example of the literature on this. Most of the research on this was done before Trump entered office. Trump is a wildly unusual political leader, who is significantly more corrupt than other politicians, promises random things and then fails to deliver them, and generally breaks all of the rules that politicians follow- this is what his supporters describe as his "authenticity", that he "tells it like it is". The more people believe, incorrectly, that "all politicians are corrupt" and "no politicians deliver on their promises" the more likely they are to accept Trump- who again is an extreme outlier among American politicians. Your cynicism actually ends up ruining the country and makes it more likely that we have bad government.

LocalH 6mo ago
the reason we have bad government is solely because we're stuck in two silos want real change? vote third party. the problem is the same as that red/blue button thought experiment recently posted to HN. one of the hardest things to do is to get 50% of people to agree with you, so everyone keeps hitting the red button (voting D or R) and nothing changes

LocalH 6mo ago

> Past talking points are not indicative of future behavior. when will we make it illegal for a politician to lie