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That is very reductive of the whole situation. The Egyptians are not singularly focused on helping Palestinians; it is far more nuanced than that. Bottom line,

That is very reductive of the whole situation. The Egyptians are not singularly focused on helping Palestinians; it is far more nuanced than that. Bottom line, Egyptians are not interested in supporting millions of refugees inside their border. So the border stays closed to mass immigration.

ceejayoz 5mo ago
All that may be true. Also true: If Egypt opened the border and Israel objected, Israel would take swift military action.
- deepsun 5mo ago
  No, why? Israel would celebrate. But NONE of the Arab countries want to help Gaza people really.
  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    > No, why? Israel would celebrate. This is directly contradicted by Israel's actions in the Gaza War. Egyptian control of the crossing was not enough, so they took it. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-07/israel-raid-closes-rafah-border-crossing-in-gaza-hamas-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-07/israel-ra...
    - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
      Israel would object to aid and weapons flows into Gaza. It would be fine with Gazans leaving the Strip. The problem is there are currently zero takers globally for a significant Palestinian refugee population, in part, as other comments have mentioned, due to the history of Palestinian refugee populations in the Middle East. (To my knowledge, Palestinian Americans have been fine and productive members of society.)
      - shykes 5mo ago
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      - constantius 5mo ago
        Racial theorists are out in full force today. I do wonder if you all can hear yourself: a lot of subtle implications of genetic defects in Palestinians' character and selective understanding of geopolitics in the region, or just basic societal dynamics. I invited another commenter to transpose their reasoning to groups it's less popular to openly discriminate, I'd suggest you do the same.
        philistine 5mo ago
        Saying that no nations want to take Palestinian refugees does not make you a racist. The fact remains; no Middle Eastern nation wants Palestinian refugees, not for their genes, but for their politics.
        constantius 5mo ago
        "Saying that gays steal does not make you homophobic": technically true, but you're being selective with your understanding of facts. Most states (talking about decision-makers, not populations) don't want to take in large groups of refugees, not because of their genes or politics, but because it has a cost and risks (in terms of integration, gov perception, fuelling far right parties, etc.). Nothing to do with Middle-Eastern/Palestinian. Even though there are examples of massive refugee intakes by states, everywhere, including in the Middle-East, including of Palestinians, including voluntary.
        philistine 5mo ago
        I'm not saying anything about Palestinians themselves. Only the opinion of others about them. I'm saying shop owners think that gays steal.
  - 8note 5mo ago
    if egypt opened the border, it would mean weapons and bombs flowing from egypt into gaza. thats not something israel would be excited about
    - deepsun 5mo ago
      I mean "open the border" to allow Gazans to leave to Egypt. But Egypt (and none other Arab countries) are accepting refugees from Gaza.
    - fakedang 5mo ago
      More like refugees flowing out, which Egypt doesn't want to deal with. The Palestinians didn't help their cause with Yasser Arafat's Black September uprising in Jordan. Then they topped that up with strong support for Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. Like the ones in Kuwait were literally betraying Kuwaitis to the Iraqi troops. Oh, and did I forget Lebanon? They literally fomented the civil war.

ceejayoz 5mo ago

All that may be true. Also true: If Egypt opened the border and Israel objected, Israel would take swift military action.

deepsun 5mo ago
No, why? Israel would celebrate. But NONE of the Arab countries want to help Gaza people really.
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  > No, why? Israel would celebrate. This is directly contradicted by Israel's actions in the Gaza War. Egyptian control of the crossing was not enough, so they took it. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-07/israel-raid-closes-rafah-border-crossing-in-gaza-hamas-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-07/israel-ra...
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    Israel would object to aid and weapons flows into Gaza. It would be fine with Gazans leaving the Strip. The problem is there are currently zero takers globally for a significant Palestinian refugee population, in part, as other comments have mentioned, due to the history of Palestinian refugee populations in the Middle East. (To my knowledge, Palestinian Americans have been fine and productive members of society.)
    - shykes 5mo ago
      [flagged]
    - constantius 5mo ago
      Racial theorists are out in full force today. I do wonder if you all can hear yourself: a lot of subtle implications of genetic defects in Palestinians' character and selective understanding of geopolitics in the region, or just basic societal dynamics. I invited another commenter to transpose their reasoning to groups it's less popular to openly discriminate, I'd suggest you do the same.
      - philistine 5mo ago
        Saying that no nations want to take Palestinian refugees does not make you a racist. The fact remains; no Middle Eastern nation wants Palestinian refugees, not for their genes, but for their politics.
        constantius 5mo ago
        "Saying that gays steal does not make you homophobic": technically true, but you're being selective with your understanding of facts. Most states (talking about decision-makers, not populations) don't want to take in large groups of refugees, not because of their genes or politics, but because it has a cost and risks (in terms of integration, gov perception, fuelling far right parties, etc.). Nothing to do with Middle-Eastern/Palestinian. Even though there are examples of massive refugee intakes by states, everywhere, including in the Middle-East, including of Palestinians, including voluntary.
        philistine 5mo ago
        I'm not saying anything about Palestinians themselves. Only the opinion of others about them. I'm saying shop owners think that gays steal.
- 8note 5mo ago
  if egypt opened the border, it would mean weapons and bombs flowing from egypt into gaza. thats not something israel would be excited about
  - deepsun 5mo ago
    I mean "open the border" to allow Gazans to leave to Egypt. But Egypt (and none other Arab countries) are accepting refugees from Gaza.
  - fakedang 5mo ago
    More like refugees flowing out, which Egypt doesn't want to deal with. The Palestinians didn't help their cause with Yasser Arafat's Black September uprising in Jordan. Then they topped that up with strong support for Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. Like the ones in Kuwait were literally betraying Kuwaitis to the Iraqi troops. Oh, and did I forget Lebanon? They literally fomented the civil war.