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How many long term MacOS users actually know how to use anything else than MacOS and their ecosystem apps and would feel comfortable switching away? I mean Ave

How many long term MacOS users actually know how to use anything else than MacOS and their ecosystem apps and would feel comfortable switching away? I mean Average Joes off the street, who can't find Ukraine on the map, not HN users of Macs with a SaaS side hustle.

nozzlegear 6mo ago
Then there's no actual walled garden here, just a vague "Mac users are too dumb to realize there are more options" line in the sand. > I mean Average Joes off the street, who can't find Ukraine on the map How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map? This metric means nothing.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago
  >Then there's no actual walled garden here With this bad faith line of reasoning that ignores user defaults, ecosystem ties and switching friction, Windows was also never a monopoly because companies and users could just switch to Mac or Linux whenever they wanted. >How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map? Since when is Missouri a country?
  - nozzlegear 6mo ago
    > Since when is Missouri a country? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47949920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47949920
  - nozzlegear 6mo ago
    > With this bad faith line of reasoning that ignores user defaults, ecosystem ties and switching friction, Windows was also never a monopoly because companies and users could just switch to Mac or Linux whenever they wanted. This bad faith line of reasoning ignores how viable Mac or Linux actually were as consumer devices at the time Microsoft had a monopoly.
- coldtea 6mo ago
  >How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map? Their country doesn't make decisions about American on their behalf (or even at all), so they don't have a moral obligation as citizens to. And Iowa and Missouri are mere states, and not even very interesting ones at that.
  - nozzlegear 6mo ago
    My point is that the US is a huge country and American education prioritizes learning where all 50 states are, since that's going to be a thousand times more relevant to any American in the span of their lifetime. So it's not surprising that the average American may not know where the fuck Estonia is, but they can tell you where Rhode Island is – and the reverse is true for the average European. Being able to point something out on a map is a metric that means nothing. That is my point.

nozzlegear 6mo ago

Then there's no actual walled garden here, just a vague "Mac users are too dumb to realize there are more options" line in the sand. > I mean Average Joes off the street, who can't find Ukraine on the map How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map? This metric means nothing.

joe_mamba 6mo ago
>Then there's no actual walled garden here With this bad faith line of reasoning that ignores user defaults, ecosystem ties and switching friction, Windows was also never a monopoly because companies and users could just switch to Mac or Linux whenever they wanted. >How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map? Since when is Missouri a country?
- nozzlegear 6mo ago
  > Since when is Missouri a country? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47949920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47949920
- nozzlegear 6mo ago
  > With this bad faith line of reasoning that ignores user defaults, ecosystem ties and switching friction, Windows was also never a monopoly because companies and users could just switch to Mac or Linux whenever they wanted. This bad faith line of reasoning ignores how viable Mac or Linux actually were as consumer devices at the time Microsoft had a monopoly.
coldtea 6mo ago
>How many Ukrainians can find Iowa or Missouri on the map? Their country doesn't make decisions about American on their behalf (or even at all), so they don't have a moral obligation as citizens to. And Iowa and Missouri are mere states, and not even very interesting ones at that.
- nozzlegear 6mo ago
  My point is that the US is a huge country and American education prioritizes learning where all 50 states are, since that's going to be a thousand times more relevant to any American in the span of their lifetime. So it's not surprising that the average American may not know where the fuck Estonia is, but they can tell you where Rhode Island is – and the reverse is true for the average European. Being able to point something out on a map is a metric that means nothing. That is my point.