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> and travellers will be able to go from London to Constantinople in forty hours By the 1930s, Constantinople been a long time gone. It had been Istanbul not C

> and travellers will be able to go from London to Constantinople in forty hours By the 1930s, Constantinople been a long time gone. It had been Istanbul not Constantinople for centuries by that point.

dtech 6mo ago
Many nations/languages did not respect that rename until Turkey became an ally in the 20th century.
- jhbadger 6mo ago
  Yeah - listen to the narrator in the opening on the classic Orson Welles film The Third Man (1949) - he says he never cared much for Vienna before the War, preferring the scene in Constantinople instead.
  - cphoover 6mo ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlO39kCQ-8&list=RD0XlO39kCQ-8&start_radio=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlO39kCQ-8&list=RD0XlO39kCQ... They Might Be Giants - Istanbul (Not Constantinople) (Official Music Video)
  - thomassmith65 6mo ago
    The American cut of the movie has an intro narrated by Joseph Cotton, who played Holly Martins. The wording might differ (since the movie is clearly Holly's first time in Vienna)
    - jhbadger 6mo ago
      Yeah, I'm talking about the version (which is even on my US DVD) where the narrator is some black marketeer neither Martins nor Lime. "I never knew the old Vienna before the war with its Strauss music, its glamour and easy charm. Constantinople suited me better. I really got to know it in the classic period of the Black Market. We'd run anything if people wanted it enough - mmm - had the money to pay. Of course, a situation like that does tempt amateurs but you know they can't stay the course like a professional."
      - thomassmith65 6mo ago
        For some reason, I always assumed the British narration was Major Calloway (Trevor Howard), but now that you quote it, I realize it can't be Calloway. Interesting! The narrator must be someone we never meet.
snypher 6mo ago
That's nobody's business but the Turks. Why did Turkey become Türkiye but Japan didn't become Nippon (or vice-versa!)? It's all very confusing to me.
- dhosek 6mo ago
  Why did Turkey become Türkiye? I think mostly because they asked. I’m guessing that Japan/Nippon is enjoying the fact that English speakers use the Chinese name for Japan and the Sanskrit¹ name for China. It’s much like the Czech Republic became Czechia, although part of that was Czech speakers wanting to stop referring to their country as an adjective² (the Czech phrase for Czech Republic was often shortened to just Czech). ⸻ 1. As a kid, my dad had told me that China was the Japanese name for the country, but according to Wikipedia, the name is actually derived from Sanskrit. 2. Which reminds me of the fun challenge of Czech (and many other Slavic languages) is that unlike other Indo-European languages³, the declensions of adjectives follow a different pattern than the declensions of their corresponding nouns, 3. Or at least the Indo-European languages that I have familiarity with.
  - invalidusernam3 6mo ago
    Czech Republic didn't become Czechia, it's still called Czech Republic. Czechia is just the official English short name.
- testfoobar 6mo ago
  People just liked it better that way.
- petesergeant 6mo ago
  The answer is as simple as “they asked nicely”
  - traceroute66 6mo ago
    > The answer is as simple as “they asked nicely” Well that's a cute explanation, but strictly speaking the UN adopted the new spelling in 2022 and the ISO swiftly followed with a revision to ISO 3166. If your "they asked nicely" was true then by that argument the people of Taiwan who constantly "ask nicely" regarding the removal of "(Province of China)" from their ISO 3166 entry would have had their wishes granted by now ... ;)
why_only_15 6mo ago
The formal Ottoman name was Kostantiniyye=Constantinople until the empire's fall in 1922. The official shift happened in 1930, with the Turkish Postal Services Law changing the name to Istanbul.
codeulike 6mo ago
Why did Constantinople get the works?
wazoox 6mo ago
It was the official name of Istanbul up until 1930 (in Turkish, Kostantiniyye).
NoGravitas 6mo ago
Why did Constantinople get the works?

dtech 6mo ago

Many nations/languages did not respect that rename until Turkey became an ally in the 20th century.

jhbadger 6mo ago
Yeah - listen to the narrator in the opening on the classic Orson Welles film The Third Man (1949) - he says he never cared much for Vienna before the War, preferring the scene in Constantinople instead.
- cphoover 6mo ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlO39kCQ-8&list=RD0XlO39kCQ-8&start_radio=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlO39kCQ-8&list=RD0XlO39kCQ... They Might Be Giants - Istanbul (Not Constantinople) (Official Music Video)
- thomassmith65 6mo ago
  The American cut of the movie has an intro narrated by Joseph Cotton, who played Holly Martins. The wording might differ (since the movie is clearly Holly's first time in Vienna)
  - jhbadger 6mo ago
    Yeah, I'm talking about the version (which is even on my US DVD) where the narrator is some black marketeer neither Martins nor Lime. "I never knew the old Vienna before the war with its Strauss music, its glamour and easy charm. Constantinople suited me better. I really got to know it in the classic period of the Black Market. We'd run anything if people wanted it enough - mmm - had the money to pay. Of course, a situation like that does tempt amateurs but you know they can't stay the course like a professional."
    - thomassmith65 6mo ago
      For some reason, I always assumed the British narration was Major Calloway (Trevor Howard), but now that you quote it, I realize it can't be Calloway. Interesting! The narrator must be someone we never meet.

snypher 6mo ago

That's nobody's business but the Turks. Why did Turkey become Türkiye but Japan didn't become Nippon (or vice-versa!)? It's all very confusing to me.

dhosek 6mo ago
Why did Turkey become Türkiye? I think mostly because they asked. I’m guessing that Japan/Nippon is enjoying the fact that English speakers use the Chinese name for Japan and the Sanskrit¹ name for China. It’s much like the Czech Republic became Czechia, although part of that was Czech speakers wanting to stop referring to their country as an adjective² (the Czech phrase for Czech Republic was often shortened to just Czech). ⸻ 1. As a kid, my dad had told me that China was the Japanese name for the country, but according to Wikipedia, the name is actually derived from Sanskrit. 2. Which reminds me of the fun challenge of Czech (and many other Slavic languages) is that unlike other Indo-European languages³, the declensions of adjectives follow a different pattern than the declensions of their corresponding nouns, 3. Or at least the Indo-European languages that I have familiarity with.
- invalidusernam3 6mo ago
  Czech Republic didn't become Czechia, it's still called Czech Republic. Czechia is just the official English short name.
testfoobar 6mo ago
People just liked it better that way.
petesergeant 6mo ago
The answer is as simple as “they asked nicely”
- traceroute66 6mo ago
  > The answer is as simple as “they asked nicely” Well that's a cute explanation, but strictly speaking the UN adopted the new spelling in 2022 and the ISO swiftly followed with a revision to ISO 3166. If your "they asked nicely" was true then by that argument the people of Taiwan who constantly "ask nicely" regarding the removal of "(Province of China)" from their ISO 3166 entry would have had their wishes granted by now ... ;)

why_only_15 6mo ago

The formal Ottoman name was Kostantiniyye=Constantinople until the empire's fall in 1922. The official shift happened in 1930, with the Turkish Postal Services Law changing the name to Istanbul.

codeulike 6mo ago

Why did Constantinople get the works?

wazoox 6mo ago

It was the official name of Istanbul up until 1930 (in Turkish, Kostantiniyye).

NoGravitas 6mo ago

Why did Constantinople get the works?