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Ukraine is going to win this war if we can just keep funding them long enough

lokar 6mo ago
They may retain their territory, but they won’t win. No one is going to win.
JohnnyLarue 6mo ago
They should have surrendered years ago, now they're going to wind up with the same territory losses and a few hundred thousand dead on top of it.
- tim333 6mo ago
  Have you seen how the Russians have treated conquered territories with torture chambers and having to submit to the dictatorship for life? And life is often only a few months as they round the males up and force them into the Russian army to get killed.
- dwaltrip 6mo ago
  Long live the Russian empire… /s
- rasz 6mo ago
  Dead killing russians or dead in unmarked mass graves or dead killing Estonians, Lithuanians and Poles. Choices choices. Mariupol had a mass grave for tens of thousand civilians russia liberated. Had because recently they started erasing it from existence https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/insight/russia-accused-of-erasing-mariupol-mass-grave-site/gm-GMC83E83C9?gemSnapshotKey=GMC83E83C9-snapshot-1 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/insight/russia-accused-of-era...
drysine 6mo ago
And to replenish their losses Ukrainian regime snatches men on the street. There are thousands of videos made by bystanders.[0] Come and see. P.S. I love the ad I see on that site: "Over 10 million Ukrainians suffer from anxiety due to the war. Free exercises with scientifically proven effectiveness." The most important exercise now is running - it saves your life. [0] https://busification.org https://busification.org
- tim333 6mo ago
  >most important exercise now is running or fighting and winning?
  - drysine 6mo ago
    There used to be more than enough volunteers among Ukrainians at the beginning of the war, now they are running from conscription officers. In Russia we had partial mobilization in 2022 but since then the losses are replenished with men voluntarily signing contracts. It's a meat grinder there for everyone.
    - tim333 6mo ago
      The Ukrainians seem to be dealing with it by switching to bots, drones and the like as much as possible and moving human resources back. I'm not sure about the Russians. That would kind of make sense for them too but things seem a bit gummed up by bureaucracy - I just read a thead about them having to use firecrackers in dones due to such restrictions https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2049026651544023271 https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2049026651544023271 I hope Russia manages to get some more sensible leadership or policies. The Ilya Remeslo guy being let out and able to criticize Putin seems somewhat promising.
      - drysine 6mo ago
        > I just read a thead about them having to use firecrackers in dones due to such restrictions Haven't read the thread but the post omits crucial detail. This is about using interceptor drones inside Russia, not on the frontline. Apparently, the thinking is that failed interceptor drones present hazard of their own, but it might be outdated now. >I hope Russia manages to get some more sensible leadership or policies. Like what? More and more people in Russia are unhappy with Putin dragging his feet with so called special military operation. They think that it's long overdue to turn to total war and forget about minimizing civilian losses in the Ukraine.
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matusp 6mo ago
They are going to lose, the question is how much. I don't see Russians losing the territory they occupy right now, unless some black swan event happens. It remains to be seen how much more territory Russia is able to conquer until they lose their appetite.
- Gud 6mo ago
  The black swan event happened when they failed to topple the Ukrainian government in 2022, it’s just taking time. There are no indications that Ukraine will lose this war.
  - matusp 6mo ago
    > There are no indications that Ukraine will lose this war. Apart from not controlling 20% of their territory?
    - Gud 6mo ago
      This is a common story, that Ukraine has lost control over a vital part of it's country, and that is true. But so has Russia, they also have lost control over their stuff, stuff that Ukraine are constantly blowing up. Ukraine now have a capable long range offensive capability which allows them to strike deep into Russia. Russias vital strategic assets are slowly depleting due to Ukrainian strikes, while Ukraine has better support from the rest of the world and are now in fact cooperating with some powerful nations across the world. Russia are managing to advance a few square kilometer of territory per month? while losing expensive, hard to replace assets continuously.

lokar 6mo ago

They may retain their territory, but they won’t win. No one is going to win.

They should have surrendered years ago, now they're going to wind up with the same territory losses and a few hundred thousand dead on top of it.

tim333 6mo ago
Have you seen how the Russians have treated conquered territories with torture chambers and having to submit to the dictatorship for life? And life is often only a few months as they round the males up and force them into the Russian army to get killed.
dwaltrip 6mo ago
Long live the Russian empire… /s
rasz 6mo ago
Dead killing russians or dead in unmarked mass graves or dead killing Estonians, Lithuanians and Poles. Choices choices. Mariupol had a mass grave for tens of thousand civilians russia liberated. Had because recently they started erasing it from existence https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/insight/russia-accused-of-erasing-mariupol-mass-grave-site/gm-GMC83E83C9?gemSnapshotKey=GMC83E83C9-snapshot-1 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/insight/russia-accused-of-era...

drysine 6mo ago

And to replenish their losses Ukrainian regime snatches men on the street. There are thousands of videos made by bystanders.[0] Come and see. P.S. I love the ad I see on that site: "Over 10 million Ukrainians suffer from anxiety due to the war. Free exercises with scientifically proven effectiveness." The most important exercise now is running - it saves your life. [0] https://busification.org https://busification.org

tim333 6mo ago
>most important exercise now is running or fighting and winning?
- drysine 6mo ago
  There used to be more than enough volunteers among Ukrainians at the beginning of the war, now they are running from conscription officers. In Russia we had partial mobilization in 2022 but since then the losses are replenished with men voluntarily signing contracts. It's a meat grinder there for everyone.
  - tim333 6mo ago
    The Ukrainians seem to be dealing with it by switching to bots, drones and the like as much as possible and moving human resources back. I'm not sure about the Russians. That would kind of make sense for them too but things seem a bit gummed up by bureaucracy - I just read a thead about them having to use firecrackers in dones due to such restrictions https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2049026651544023271 https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2049026651544023271 I hope Russia manages to get some more sensible leadership or policies. The Ilya Remeslo guy being let out and able to criticize Putin seems somewhat promising.
    - drysine 6mo ago
      > I just read a thead about them having to use firecrackers in dones due to such restrictions Haven't read the thread but the post omits crucial detail. This is about using interceptor drones inside Russia, not on the frontline. Apparently, the thinking is that failed interceptor drones present hazard of their own, but it might be outdated now. >I hope Russia manages to get some more sensible leadership or policies. Like what? More and more people in Russia are unhappy with Putin dragging his feet with so called special military operation. They think that it's long overdue to turn to total war and forget about minimizing civilian losses in the Ukraine.
      - 6mo ago

matusp 6mo ago

They are going to lose, the question is how much. I don't see Russians losing the territory they occupy right now, unless some black swan event happens. It remains to be seen how much more territory Russia is able to conquer until they lose their appetite.

Gud 6mo ago
The black swan event happened when they failed to topple the Ukrainian government in 2022, it’s just taking time. There are no indications that Ukraine will lose this war.
- matusp 6mo ago
  > There are no indications that Ukraine will lose this war. Apart from not controlling 20% of their territory?
  - Gud 6mo ago
    This is a common story, that Ukraine has lost control over a vital part of it's country, and that is true. But so has Russia, they also have lost control over their stuff, stuff that Ukraine are constantly blowing up. Ukraine now have a capable long range offensive capability which allows them to strike deep into Russia. Russias vital strategic assets are slowly depleting due to Ukrainian strikes, while Ukraine has better support from the rest of the world and are now in fact cooperating with some powerful nations across the world. Russia are managing to advance a few square kilometer of territory per month? while losing expensive, hard to replace assets continuously.