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Everybody who says it's a 5-9-27x seems to not be aware of the obvious loophole. More like 50x increase. You were able to use over $500 worth of Opus on a $10/m

by hakunin 5mo ago

Everybody who says it's a 5-9-27x seems to not be aware of the obvious loophole. More like 50x increase. You were able to use over $500 worth of Opus on a $10/mo Github plan easily, no hacks. You could just prompt "plan this out for me, don't stop until fully planned, don't ask any questions", and you would get ~$5 worth of planning in one 3x request. At 100 requests/mo, each easily reaching $5, that's easy $500 worth of tokens.

Squarex 5mo ago
Even more so, questions and user answers from agents were not charged as separate requests.
- SeriousM 5mo ago
  And when you make your harness ask you for next steps in a tool call, the journey continues forever, yeehaa
pojzon 5mo ago
I did many 1h+ sessions of agent asking questions, delegating to subagents - all for 1 premium request. I would say its a x1000 increase in price for agentic workflows.
fomoz 5mo ago
Bingo. I created a few autonomous skills that did exactly that for plan review, implementation, and branch review, review autonomously until green. I was using 100M+ tokens per day, $250 per day or so and only paying $160 per month to GitHub. I cancelled my GHCP sub and switched to Codex last week, so far so good but I miss Gemini 3.1 Pro for UI work.
- hakunin 5mo ago
  Yeah it was crazy. Nowadays I use pi with OpenAI GPT 5.4/5.5, which to me seems both better and more generous than Claude. I supplement it with OpenCode Zen to get access to a bunch of models at token cost, and OpenCode Go ($10/mo) to get subscription-style access to Kimi, GLM and friends.
  - bryanhogan 5mo ago
    What is pi?
    - hakunin 5mo ago
      The minimalistic harness famous for having a tiny system prompt (avoids context pollution), and being what underlies openclaw. (https://pi.dev https://pi.dev)
- nonfamous 5mo ago
  And this, right here, is why none of us can have nice, cheap things.
  - 4gotunameagain 5mo ago
    So, silicon valley decides to use their playbook of expand at all costs by burning money to acquire the market (like a carcinoma), and it is the users fault ? Should we be blamed about uber destroying the taxi business, or airbnb the hotel one? Oh sorry, "disrupting". Uber was dirt cheap, now it is the same price as taxis, and the people working for it (the "partners", not employees) have no social benefits. Airbnb was cheap and humane, now it is THE cause for housing crises and massive residential property "investment". The playbook of silicon valley is destructive, not disruptive. It is by design aimed towards wealth accumulation. The ones with most money can capture the market, and make even more. It really is late stage capitalism. And the more wealth inequality there is, the more pain, poverty and instability will be as well. AI will only exacerbate this.
    - self_awareness 5mo ago
      Uber and Airbnb are not autonomous robots. If people wouldn't use their services, nothing would happen. They would just go bankrupt. So yeah, I'd say it's entirely people's fault. Because people just wanted to use their services without thinking what they're causing. Customers who think only about themselves and noone else.
      - 4gotunameagain 5mo ago
        I disagree completely. You cannot expect every consumer to be fully educated and aware of the consequences of their purchasing power. This is the role of legislation, educated experts creating policies so that you don't have to do business analysis before making a purchase. Would I pay 10x the price for tokens and be outcompeted by other companies, hoping that openAI will go out of business ? This is entirely unrealistic.
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mohsen1 5mo ago
This was my solution to very very though compiler tests that would take sometime up to 4 hours to figure out. Some of the time would be spent on running the tests, but still... I was burning so much tokens. I have free Copilot for my open source work so I wasn't even paying the $20. this is the project that I am working on https://github.com/mohsen1/tsz https://github.com/mohsen1/tsz
johndough 5mo ago
That was not my experience. When I tried to use Opus for longer tasks with Copilot, it would fill up the context completely and then crash without any output, while still consuming premium requests. (At least from September 2025 to January this year. Haven't tried after that.)
- hakunin 5mo ago
  On pi coding agent, it worked very well for me over the past few months, but started glitching more recently, just prior to this announcement.
  - self_awareness 5mo ago
    This might be Pi being buggy as heck. When using opencode or copilot CLI, the error messages are displayed normally and it's possible to see what's going on. Under Pi, it sometimes just hangs, or Pi crashes with some bun stacktrace and that's it. Copilot has introduced additional limits for Claude models in past month, and it's rather easy to hit it. Pi often doesn't show anything when this limit hits (although sometimes it shows the error, I guess it depends on Pi version).
    - hakunin 5mo ago
      Hm, didn’t encounter any crashes you describe in my usage, but your second paragraph sounds familiar.
- bubbab 5mo ago
  Copilot has improved immensely in 2026. I'd say to give it a try again if you're up for it. It works about as well as Claude Code these days in my experience.
  - johndough 5mo ago
    Unfortunately, Opus was removed from the student plan in March. So far, I had been happy with GPT-5.3-Codex, but that model seems to have been removed this morning.
NSPG911 5mo ago
exactly why i loved Github Copilot, you could pull of these shenanigans, and nothing would ever happen. That was the best part of it but now, you get literally nothing
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krzyk 5mo ago
Yeah, people learned. I created a 4 subagents that polled for new tasks, and restart after ~5h. It was a great run.

by hakunin 5mo ago

Squarex 5mo ago

Even more so, questions and user answers from agents were not charged as separate requests.

SeriousM 5mo ago
And when you make your harness ask you for next steps in a tool call, the journey continues forever, yeehaa

pojzon 5mo ago

I did many 1h+ sessions of agent asking questions, delegating to subagents - all for 1 premium request. I would say its a x1000 increase in price for agentic workflows.

fomoz 5mo ago

Bingo. I created a few autonomous skills that did exactly that for plan review, implementation, and branch review, review autonomously until green. I was using 100M+ tokens per day, $250 per day or so and only paying $160 per month to GitHub. I cancelled my GHCP sub and switched to Codex last week, so far so good but I miss Gemini 3.1 Pro for UI work.

hakunin 5mo ago
Yeah it was crazy. Nowadays I use pi with OpenAI GPT 5.4/5.5, which to me seems both better and more generous than Claude. I supplement it with OpenCode Zen to get access to a bunch of models at token cost, and OpenCode Go ($10/mo) to get subscription-style access to Kimi, GLM and friends.
- bryanhogan 5mo ago
  What is pi?
  - hakunin 5mo ago
    The minimalistic harness famous for having a tiny system prompt (avoids context pollution), and being what underlies openclaw. (https://pi.dev https://pi.dev)
nonfamous 5mo ago
And this, right here, is why none of us can have nice, cheap things.
- 4gotunameagain 5mo ago
  So, silicon valley decides to use their playbook of expand at all costs by burning money to acquire the market (like a carcinoma), and it is the users fault ? Should we be blamed about uber destroying the taxi business, or airbnb the hotel one? Oh sorry, "disrupting". Uber was dirt cheap, now it is the same price as taxis, and the people working for it (the "partners", not employees) have no social benefits. Airbnb was cheap and humane, now it is THE cause for housing crises and massive residential property "investment". The playbook of silicon valley is destructive, not disruptive. It is by design aimed towards wealth accumulation. The ones with most money can capture the market, and make even more. It really is late stage capitalism. And the more wealth inequality there is, the more pain, poverty and instability will be as well. AI will only exacerbate this.
  - self_awareness 5mo ago
    Uber and Airbnb are not autonomous robots. If people wouldn't use their services, nothing would happen. They would just go bankrupt. So yeah, I'd say it's entirely people's fault. Because people just wanted to use their services without thinking what they're causing. Customers who think only about themselves and noone else.
    - 4gotunameagain 5mo ago
      I disagree completely. You cannot expect every consumer to be fully educated and aware of the consequences of their purchasing power. This is the role of legislation, educated experts creating policies so that you don't have to do business analysis before making a purchase. Would I pay 10x the price for tokens and be outcompeted by other companies, hoping that openAI will go out of business ? This is entirely unrealistic.
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mohsen1 5mo ago

This was my solution to very very though compiler tests that would take sometime up to 4 hours to figure out. Some of the time would be spent on running the tests, but still... I was burning so much tokens. I have free Copilot for my open source work so I wasn't even paying the $20. this is the project that I am working on https://github.com/mohsen1/tsz https://github.com/mohsen1/tsz

johndough 5mo ago

That was not my experience. When I tried to use Opus for longer tasks with Copilot, it would fill up the context completely and then crash without any output, while still consuming premium requests. (At least from September 2025 to January this year. Haven't tried after that.)

hakunin 5mo ago
On pi coding agent, it worked very well for me over the past few months, but started glitching more recently, just prior to this announcement.
- self_awareness 5mo ago
  This might be Pi being buggy as heck. When using opencode or copilot CLI, the error messages are displayed normally and it's possible to see what's going on. Under Pi, it sometimes just hangs, or Pi crashes with some bun stacktrace and that's it. Copilot has introduced additional limits for Claude models in past month, and it's rather easy to hit it. Pi often doesn't show anything when this limit hits (although sometimes it shows the error, I guess it depends on Pi version).
  - hakunin 5mo ago
    Hm, didn’t encounter any crashes you describe in my usage, but your second paragraph sounds familiar.
bubbab 5mo ago
Copilot has improved immensely in 2026. I'd say to give it a try again if you're up for it. It works about as well as Claude Code these days in my experience.
- johndough 5mo ago
  Unfortunately, Opus was removed from the student plan in March. So far, I had been happy with GPT-5.3-Codex, but that model seems to have been removed this morning.

NSPG911 5mo ago

exactly why i loved Github Copilot, you could pull of these shenanigans, and nothing would ever happen. That was the best part of it but now, you get literally nothing

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krzyk 5mo ago

Yeah, people learned. I created a 4 subagents that polled for new tasks, and restart after ~5h. It was a great run.