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Maybe the future isn't a human-like centralized intelligence but an octopus-like decentralized intelligence where more focus is placed on making the harness its

by culi 6mo ago

Maybe the future isn't a human-like centralized intelligence but an octopus-like decentralized intelligence where more focus is placed on making the harness itself "smart"

dominotw 6mo ago
That would be counter to AI company goals. They want harness to be dumb and models to be smart so they can sell models.
- SwellJoe 6mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_lesson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_lesson History indicates you can't tool and harness your way to effectively competing against a smarter model with more compute.
- satvikpendem 6mo ago
  Not really. Anthropic for example sells both the harness and the models as a unified kit via Claude Code, it is in their best interest to make sure both parts work as well as possible, via reinforcement learning of previous usage as well for new model performance increases.
  - dominotw 6mo ago
    but harness are not a moat. They wouldnt have to subsidize their own harness massively if that was the case. Anyone can write a good harness .
    - satvikpendem 6mo ago
      That's not true that anyone can write a good harness because the LLM providers have information like prompts that they can RL train off of that someone writing their own harness would not have. Therefore a good and proprietary harness is a moat.
      - dominotw 6mo ago
        that doesnt answer why claude subsidizes their own harness and bans ppl from using subsidized inference on openclaw ect
        satvikpendem 6mo ago
        Yes it does? They want people to be locked into the Claude Code product.
        dominotw 6mo ago
        why do they have "lock" them if its clearly superior to alternatives that merely u se their api.
        satvikpendem 6mo ago
        Because it's a way to make more money in the future. I feel like you're not really getting the difference between what a business does for profit and its technical decisions.
        dominotw 6mo ago
        well internet is rife with theories about why anthropic does it. I dont buy that you have it all figured out.

by culi 6mo ago

Maybe the future isn't a human-like centralized intelligence but an octopus-like decentralized intelligence where more focus is placed on making the harness itself "smart"

dominotw 6mo ago

That would be counter to AI company goals. They want harness to be dumb and models to be smart so they can sell models.

SwellJoe 6mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_lesson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_lesson History indicates you can't tool and harness your way to effectively competing against a smarter model with more compute.
satvikpendem 6mo ago
Not really. Anthropic for example sells both the harness and the models as a unified kit via Claude Code, it is in their best interest to make sure both parts work as well as possible, via reinforcement learning of previous usage as well for new model performance increases.
- dominotw 6mo ago
  but harness are not a moat. They wouldnt have to subsidize their own harness massively if that was the case. Anyone can write a good harness .
  - satvikpendem 6mo ago
    That's not true that anyone can write a good harness because the LLM providers have information like prompts that they can RL train off of that someone writing their own harness would not have. Therefore a good and proprietary harness is a moat.
    - dominotw 6mo ago
      that doesnt answer why claude subsidizes their own harness and bans ppl from using subsidized inference on openclaw ect
      - satvikpendem 6mo ago
        Yes it does? They want people to be locked into the Claude Code product.
        dominotw 6mo ago
        why do they have "lock" them if its clearly superior to alternatives that merely u se their api.
        satvikpendem 6mo ago
        Because it's a way to make more money in the future. I feel like you're not really getting the difference between what a business does for profit and its technical decisions.
        dominotw 6mo ago
        well internet is rife with theories about why anthropic does it. I dont buy that you have it all figured out.