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"Your plan pricing is unchanged: Copilot Pro remains $10/month and Pro+ remains $39/month, and each includes $10 and $39 in monthly AI Credits, respectively."

"Your plan pricing is unchanged: Copilot Pro remains $10/month and Pro+ remains $39/month, and each includes $10 and $39 in monthly AI Credits, respectively." If there's no discount on credits (in terms of tokens per dollar) over other providers, I'm going to switch to a PAYG provider. If there's a month where there's little to no coding I can pocket the 10$. What incentive do they give to stay with this plan?

freedomben 5mo ago
This was my first thought too. "Oh cool, I should be seeing lower prices" as I don't use Co-pilot that often anymore. But no, that's not the case. It rather served to remind me that I should probably just cancel.
stetrain 5mo ago
They could add rollover balances and be back to cell phone plans in the early 2000s.
- kalleboo 5mo ago
  Only if we also get unlimited nights & weekends.
cush 5mo ago
Are you thinking something like rollover plans?
Someone1234 5mo ago
Yep. Or if you're a business with multiple seats, these plans may be more inefficient than raw API usage billing. Since if anyone at your organization fails to utilize their full $19/39 allotment each month, that's wasting money, whereas with API credits it is 100% utilized. I don't think they've thought through the implications of this. Everyone should cancel and go usage-based billing with caps.
- DominikPeters 5mo ago
  They mention in the announcement that it will be possible to pool usage across an organization.
- to11mtm 5mo ago
  They do address this in the doc, Orgs can now (although it was vague as to whether it was an option or just the new standard, probably option due to business contracts) 'pool' the Usage billing across all users. I'm guessing they did that (and the 'temporary bonus credits') to make the pill easier to swallow for that side of customers.
  - Someone1234 5mo ago
    You're right, I missed that. It still does make one wonder, why have seats at all though? If everyone is just in one big API credit pool - what do the seats/users accomplish?
    - easton 5mo ago
      It forces you to pay at least $20 in tokens per user even for people who use less (they probably have stats on how many people use just autocomplete, which doesn’t count against the quota. or have a seat and don’t use the service at all).
      - to11mtm 5mo ago
        You can get at least at baseline vague stats but from what I have seen it is more account than user focused, i.e. 'X number of users used %feature%' and/or '%model% was X percent of requests per day'. That said it's worth noting, I don't see how anything they expose will reliably help orgs plan costing from what AFAIK is in fact a big shift for billing/costing planning. > It forces you to pay at least $20 For better or worse that's public pricing, i.e. if you are coming in also negotiating VS for devs, windows/office licenses for the rest of the business and stuff like Azure Devops... a lot of their stuff gets cheaper if your company's IT procurement group is vaguely competent at negotiating. Not even talking bigcorp here I'm talking 500-1000 employee range. Of course, very small orgs will suffer, but it does tie in with the theme over the last two weeks; anyone with a personal account is basically subsidizing the credits for the business accounts during the transition period.
joegibbs 5mo ago
$39 of credits at API costs is useless too, what are you going to do there, a single hour of coding? One half of a feature per month?
- polski-g 5mo ago
  That's enough for 4 days of programming if you use GLM5.
seventuning 5mo ago
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freedomben 5mo ago

This was my first thought too. "Oh cool, I should be seeing lower prices" as I don't use Co-pilot that often anymore. But no, that's not the case. It rather served to remind me that I should probably just cancel.

stetrain 5mo ago

They could add rollover balances and be back to cell phone plans in the early 2000s.

kalleboo 5mo ago
Only if we also get unlimited nights & weekends.

cush 5mo ago

Are you thinking something like rollover plans?

Someone1234 5mo ago

Yep. Or if you're a business with multiple seats, these plans may be more inefficient than raw API usage billing. Since if anyone at your organization fails to utilize their full $19/39 allotment each month, that's wasting money, whereas with API credits it is 100% utilized. I don't think they've thought through the implications of this. Everyone should cancel and go usage-based billing with caps.

DominikPeters 5mo ago
They mention in the announcement that it will be possible to pool usage across an organization.
to11mtm 5mo ago
They do address this in the doc, Orgs can now (although it was vague as to whether it was an option or just the new standard, probably option due to business contracts) 'pool' the Usage billing across all users. I'm guessing they did that (and the 'temporary bonus credits') to make the pill easier to swallow for that side of customers.
- Someone1234 5mo ago
  You're right, I missed that. It still does make one wonder, why have seats at all though? If everyone is just in one big API credit pool - what do the seats/users accomplish?
  - easton 5mo ago
    It forces you to pay at least $20 in tokens per user even for people who use less (they probably have stats on how many people use just autocomplete, which doesn’t count against the quota. or have a seat and don’t use the service at all).
    - to11mtm 5mo ago
      You can get at least at baseline vague stats but from what I have seen it is more account than user focused, i.e. 'X number of users used %feature%' and/or '%model% was X percent of requests per day'. That said it's worth noting, I don't see how anything they expose will reliably help orgs plan costing from what AFAIK is in fact a big shift for billing/costing planning. > It forces you to pay at least $20 For better or worse that's public pricing, i.e. if you are coming in also negotiating VS for devs, windows/office licenses for the rest of the business and stuff like Azure Devops... a lot of their stuff gets cheaper if your company's IT procurement group is vaguely competent at negotiating. Not even talking bigcorp here I'm talking 500-1000 employee range. Of course, very small orgs will suffer, but it does tie in with the theme over the last two weeks; anyone with a personal account is basically subsidizing the credits for the business accounts during the transition period.

joegibbs 5mo ago

$39 of credits at API costs is useless too, what are you going to do there, a single hour of coding? One half of a feature per month?

polski-g 5mo ago
That's enough for 4 days of programming if you use GLM5.

seventuning 5mo ago

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