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"...if you have an Apple silicon Mac and AFP support is dropped from macOS 27, that would leave you unable to upgrade without replacing your network storage."

"...if you have an Apple silicon Mac and AFP support is dropped from macOS 27, that would leave you unable to upgrade without replacing your network storage." How big is this market? I'm not saying vibe code a product, but...

bayindirh 7mo ago
That "replacement" is not always full-on hardware. I have colleagues who are running AFP on BSD for continuous backups on their systems, and they have to reconfigure something new to be able to continue backing up their systems.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > That "replacement" is not always full-on hardware Oh, I was thinking only of software. Apple dropping AFP in the OS doesn't mean it can't work at all.
  - bayindirh 7mo ago
    I believe the only supported mode is SAMBA now.
- trillic 7mo ago
  I use this for networked Time Machine backups for multiple Macs in my household. Works just as well over tailscale VPN. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netatalk https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netatalk
  - wang_li 7mo ago
    Also works for System 7 based Macintoshes. In case you got frozen in a glacier in 1991.
    - jshier 7mo ago
      Nah, classic Macintosh OSes aren't compatible with modern AFP.
      - wang_li 7mo ago
        They are compatible with netatalk though. The project split between version 2 and 3, but in recent releases they folded them back into a single thing. Current netatalk releases support all versions of AFP.
  - snapetom 7mo ago
    One of my COVID projects was to set up a networked Time Machine backup on Raspberry Pi. Every single one of the blogspam sites (lifehacker, howtogeek, etc.) told you to use AFP/HFS+/Netatalk. I had so many problems with this. Time Machine would work well the first few times and then slow to a crawl. If there was a power outage, look out. The whole thing would be corrupted. It wasn't the network. FTP and scp worked just fine. Eventually I found one blog that told you how to do it with SMB and ext4. It was that site that I learned about the much malignment of AFP and HFS+. SMB/ext4 worked like a charm. Six years later and not a single hiccup.
daneel_w 7mo ago
Netatalk has been around for like 25 years: https://github.com/Netatalk/Netatalk https://github.com/Netatalk/Netatalk Relevant to the discussion is that the project comes with an AFP client as well. I have no experience with the client but I've used the Netatalk server for more than 15 years.
- jychang 7mo ago
  I've already built it: https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB This runs Samba 4 on the Apple Time Capsule.

bayindirh 7mo ago

That "replacement" is not always full-on hardware. I have colleagues who are running AFP on BSD for continuous backups on their systems, and they have to reconfigure something new to be able to continue backing up their systems.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> That "replacement" is not always full-on hardware Oh, I was thinking only of software. Apple dropping AFP in the OS doesn't mean it can't work at all.
- bayindirh 7mo ago
  I believe the only supported mode is SAMBA now.
trillic 7mo ago
I use this for networked Time Machine backups for multiple Macs in my household. Works just as well over tailscale VPN. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netatalk https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Netatalk
- wang_li 7mo ago
  Also works for System 7 based Macintoshes. In case you got frozen in a glacier in 1991.
  - jshier 7mo ago
    Nah, classic Macintosh OSes aren't compatible with modern AFP.
    - wang_li 7mo ago
      They are compatible with netatalk though. The project split between version 2 and 3, but in recent releases they folded them back into a single thing. Current netatalk releases support all versions of AFP.
- snapetom 7mo ago
  One of my COVID projects was to set up a networked Time Machine backup on Raspberry Pi. Every single one of the blogspam sites (lifehacker, howtogeek, etc.) told you to use AFP/HFS+/Netatalk. I had so many problems with this. Time Machine would work well the first few times and then slow to a crawl. If there was a power outage, look out. The whole thing would be corrupted. It wasn't the network. FTP and scp worked just fine. Eventually I found one blog that told you how to do it with SMB and ext4. It was that site that I learned about the much malignment of AFP and HFS+. SMB/ext4 worked like a charm. Six years later and not a single hiccup.

daneel_w 7mo ago

Netatalk has been around for like 25 years: https://github.com/Netatalk/Netatalk https://github.com/Netatalk/Netatalk Relevant to the discussion is that the project comes with an AFP client as well. I have no experience with the client but I've used the Netatalk server for more than 15 years.

jychang 7mo ago
I've already built it: https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB https://github.com/jamesyc/TimeCapsuleSMB This runs Samba 4 on the Apple Time Capsule.