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Could it be you are pushing your native app? Maybe for more control to advertising in your app, tracking, etc. Keep those nasty ad blockers out.

kube-system 6mo ago
It's probably just because social media consumption looks like this today: https://static.independent.co.uk/2024/07/23/11/newFile-3.jpg https://static.independent.co.uk/2024/07/23/11/newFile-3.jpg and not like this, anymore: https://headlineplanet.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Miranda-Cosgrove-iCarly-1152x768.jpg https://headlineplanet.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/M...
- postalrat 6mo ago
  How does that change anything? I think its more due to mobile sites acting like this https://www.reddit.com/r/TechNope/comments/urboo6/reddit_app_opens_a_webpage_that_tells_you_to_use/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TechNope/comments/urboo6/reddit_app... A user on a app is more valuable since you get a lot more data on them, and can stop their ad blockers.
  - kube-system 6mo ago
    But people are used to that now being the normal state of things, it's rare that they even try the browser -- I develop an application that is web only and typically used on desktops, and people incessantly ask me for "an app so they can use it on their phone".
    - postalrat 6mo ago
      They probably want an icon to open your app. They probably dont know the difference between an app rendered with a browser or a truly native app. In the past apple as made it difficult for users to know how to do this and users just know about the app store. Great for apple (walled garden) and social media apps (more tracking, unlimited ads) but not great for users.
      - kube-system 6mo ago
        Yes, that's the "workaround" I use but by default people are expecting to find something in the app store. > They probably dont know the difference between an app rendered with a browser or a truly native app. Absolutely, users do not know or care what technology you are using so long as it meets their expectations of use. Users are going to the app store as a discovery mechanism for "something that gives them an icon on the phone to get to that thing", most have no clue what "native code" means.
      - JimDabell 6mo ago
        > In the past apple as made it difficult for users to know how to do this The mechanism to add a web app to the home screen has remained pretty unchanged from iPhoneOS 1.0 (2007) to iOS 18 (2024) – you tap the action button (sometimes called the “share” button despite it being a misnomer), then you tap “Add to Home Screen”. It’s the same as adding a bookmark, printing, or sharing the link with somebody. That is the process they designed before the App Store existed when they were telling everybody if you want to build apps for the iPhone then they should be web apps, so I don’t think you can reasonably consider this process to be intentionally difficult. This changed slightly in iOS 26 because you need to tap the meatball icon to bring up the menu and pick “Share…”, but given that this only happened six months ago, I don’t think that’s what you were referring to by “in the past”?
  - JimDabell 6mo ago
    That might be true for the tech giants but it’s not true in the typical case. In our case, we didn’t care which platform people used, and if anything, the owners of the apps preferred people to use the web because many of them were selling subscription services and didn’t want to hand over 15% to the app stores. “Getting data on people” is just not that attractive for most apps. Are Reddit motivated by things like that? Sure. But it’s just not that valuable for everybody else. You know what is attractive? Giving customers what they want. And customers want native apps.
JimDabell 6mo ago
No. There were no ads, no invasive tracking, no obnoxious pushes to move people to native – we didn’t care which platform people used. People just genuinely prefer native apps to PWAs. This should not be a controversial statement. If you say that people prefer native desktop apps to web apps, you’ll get a lot of agreement – people complaining about Electron, Slack using up all their RAM, etc. If you say that people prefer native mobile apps to web apps – a setting where the advantage of native is even more pronounced – then all of a sudden you get a bunch of people who simply refuse to believe that this is true. I’ve noticed a lot of overlap between the people who reject this and people who dislike the App Store for other reasons (e.g. locked down devices). I think the difference between accepting people prefer native on desktop vs mobile is not primarily driven by facts but by ideology. People who dislike App Stores are inclined to prefer PWAs and they prefer to believe everybody is like them despite it being pretty obvious this is not actually true.
- rrvsh 6mo ago
  When the Renaissance Periodization team came out with an app that was a PWA, many in the fitness community (read: not as aware of the benefits of a PWA) panned it for just being a "website" rather than an app; people don't understand PWAs or even web apps or any of the parlance we use or the differences in implementation we are so often aware of to the point of not realising how the average person views them

kube-system 6mo ago

It's probably just because social media consumption looks like this today: https://static.independent.co.uk/2024/07/23/11/newFile-3.jpg https://static.independent.co.uk/2024/07/23/11/newFile-3.jpg and not like this, anymore: https://headlineplanet.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Miranda-Cosgrove-iCarly-1152x768.jpg https://headlineplanet.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/M...

postalrat 6mo ago
How does that change anything? I think its more due to mobile sites acting like this https://www.reddit.com/r/TechNope/comments/urboo6/reddit_app_opens_a_webpage_that_tells_you_to_use/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TechNope/comments/urboo6/reddit_app... A user on a app is more valuable since you get a lot more data on them, and can stop their ad blockers.
- kube-system 6mo ago
  But people are used to that now being the normal state of things, it's rare that they even try the browser -- I develop an application that is web only and typically used on desktops, and people incessantly ask me for "an app so they can use it on their phone".
  - postalrat 6mo ago
    They probably want an icon to open your app. They probably dont know the difference between an app rendered with a browser or a truly native app. In the past apple as made it difficult for users to know how to do this and users just know about the app store. Great for apple (walled garden) and social media apps (more tracking, unlimited ads) but not great for users.
    - kube-system 6mo ago
      Yes, that's the "workaround" I use but by default people are expecting to find something in the app store. > They probably dont know the difference between an app rendered with a browser or a truly native app. Absolutely, users do not know or care what technology you are using so long as it meets their expectations of use. Users are going to the app store as a discovery mechanism for "something that gives them an icon on the phone to get to that thing", most have no clue what "native code" means.
    - JimDabell 6mo ago
      > In the past apple as made it difficult for users to know how to do this The mechanism to add a web app to the home screen has remained pretty unchanged from iPhoneOS 1.0 (2007) to iOS 18 (2024) – you tap the action button (sometimes called the “share” button despite it being a misnomer), then you tap “Add to Home Screen”. It’s the same as adding a bookmark, printing, or sharing the link with somebody. That is the process they designed before the App Store existed when they were telling everybody if you want to build apps for the iPhone then they should be web apps, so I don’t think you can reasonably consider this process to be intentionally difficult. This changed slightly in iOS 26 because you need to tap the meatball icon to bring up the menu and pick “Share…”, but given that this only happened six months ago, I don’t think that’s what you were referring to by “in the past”?
- JimDabell 6mo ago
  That might be true for the tech giants but it’s not true in the typical case. In our case, we didn’t care which platform people used, and if anything, the owners of the apps preferred people to use the web because many of them were selling subscription services and didn’t want to hand over 15% to the app stores. “Getting data on people” is just not that attractive for most apps. Are Reddit motivated by things like that? Sure. But it’s just not that valuable for everybody else. You know what is attractive? Giving customers what they want. And customers want native apps.

JimDabell 6mo ago

No. There were no ads, no invasive tracking, no obnoxious pushes to move people to native – we didn’t care which platform people used. People just genuinely prefer native apps to PWAs. This should not be a controversial statement. If you say that people prefer native desktop apps to web apps, you’ll get a lot of agreement – people complaining about Electron, Slack using up all their RAM, etc. If you say that people prefer native mobile apps to web apps – a setting where the advantage of native is even more pronounced – then all of a sudden you get a bunch of people who simply refuse to believe that this is true. I’ve noticed a lot of overlap between the people who reject this and people who dislike the App Store for other reasons (e.g. locked down devices). I think the difference between accepting people prefer native on desktop vs mobile is not primarily driven by facts but by ideology. People who dislike App Stores are inclined to prefer PWAs and they prefer to believe everybody is like them despite it being pretty obvious this is not actually true.

rrvsh 6mo ago
When the Renaissance Periodization team came out with an app that was a PWA, many in the fitness community (read: not as aware of the benefits of a PWA) panned it for just being a "website" rather than an app; people don't understand PWAs or even web apps or any of the parlance we use or the differences in implementation we are so often aware of to the point of not realising how the average person views them