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>Because companies here actively want to avoid breaking the law Haha, yeah sure. What other fairy tales you gonna tells us next? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

>Because companies here actively want to avoid breaking the law Haha, yeah sure. What other fairy tales you gonna tells us next? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#2005_and_continuing:_worldwide_bribery_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#2005_and_continuing:_w... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmalat_bankruptcy_timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmalat_bankruptcy_timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus#Bribery_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus#Bribery_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CumEx-Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CumEx-Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafarge_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafarge_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ING_Group#Money_laundering_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ING_Group#Money_laundering_cas... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Holdings#Corruption_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Holdings#Corruptio...

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watwut 6mo ago
Yes, European companies break the law too. However, the comment this was about literally mocked the companies that are actively trying to follow the law. So yes, such companies exist and plenty of people see their existence as a good thing rather then something to mock.
- jgwil2 6mo ago
  That comment mocked German customers; it didn't mention companies at all.
  - Mashimo 6mo ago
    I read it like the customers where German based companies.
  - rat9988 6mo ago
    Obviously B2B given the context
- mothballed 6mo ago
  Law has no virtue in and of itself.
  - 21asdffdsa12 6mo ago
    It also ultimately a expression of might makes right (sad as this is) and as the current culture supports a decline of western might, it also undoes the law - first international, than domestic. We simply decided to burden our might with these restriction fictions, others feel not at all compelled to follow. I expect to see further selling out of these laws, as the economic prosperity declines. I can perfectly see german law limiting german companies from developing and selling AI products, while at the same time allowing us companies for a "pay our retires and pension-plans" kickback.
esafak 6mo ago
In Europe, those are scandals. In the US, it's another Tuesday.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago
  If we keep moving the goalposts you can make any argument
  - Arodex 6mo ago
    What goalposts? Your sitting president, himself a conman is pardoning fraudsters left and right while he and his family enrich themselves with public money and extortion.
    - Ylpertnodi 6mo ago
      Shhhh, don't tell them, it'll be funnier at the end.
      - joe_mamba 6mo ago
        What's "the end"?
    - joe_mamba 6mo ago
      > Your sitting president, himself a conman Joke's on you, I'm European not American, so "your president" in this case would be the unelected Ursula and she would technically be a con-woman, not a con-man. Not sure what your argument was supposed to prove with this cheap jab though.
      - Arodex 6mo ago
        Ursula Van der Leyen was elected. Trump too. If you argue she wasn't elected by the European population, well, Trump technically isn't too.
pyrale 6mo ago
Let me rephrase this: companies want to avoid breaking the law unknowingly, because their US providers are going to break the law without notice, willingly or unwillingly. Plenty of corporations are willing to break the rules, but never for free.
- guywithahat 6mo ago
  > because their US providers are going to break the law without notice, willingly or unwillingly This is a weird hill to die on because it's not true. I can't find anything to support your world view and if anything evidence points to the contrary. Europe has a deliberately more complex legal framework, usually in the hopes of keeping out foreign competition (although it's dubious whether or not that actually works).
  - pyrale 6mo ago
    > I can't find anything to support your world view Just look at US laws pertaining to data that goes through US companies.
Arodex 6mo ago
Thank you for your brilliant demonstration of survivorship bias. How many people were punished for Enron? For the subprime crisis? Etc. In the US, you just give a little money for the president's ballroom and you are pardoned. Or you settle out of court because your justice system is crap.
- selectodude 6mo ago
  The CEO of Enron was convicted and died two months before sentencing and the COO got 12 years. Interestingly the chief accountant of Enron ended up getting a job in Europe after he got out of prison.
  - joe_mamba 6mo ago
    >Interestingly the chief accountant of Enron ended up getting a job in Europe after he got out of prison. But, but ..Europeans here said they don't tolerate crooks.
    - Arodex 6mo ago
      The parent poster is implying things that aren't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fastow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fastow

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watwut 6mo ago

Yes, European companies break the law too. However, the comment this was about literally mocked the companies that are actively trying to follow the law. So yes, such companies exist and plenty of people see their existence as a good thing rather then something to mock.

jgwil2 6mo ago
That comment mocked German customers; it didn't mention companies at all.
- Mashimo 6mo ago
  I read it like the customers where German based companies.
- rat9988 6mo ago
  Obviously B2B given the context
mothballed 6mo ago
Law has no virtue in and of itself.
- 21asdffdsa12 6mo ago
  It also ultimately a expression of might makes right (sad as this is) and as the current culture supports a decline of western might, it also undoes the law - first international, than domestic. We simply decided to burden our might with these restriction fictions, others feel not at all compelled to follow. I expect to see further selling out of these laws, as the economic prosperity declines. I can perfectly see german law limiting german companies from developing and selling AI products, while at the same time allowing us companies for a "pay our retires and pension-plans" kickback.

esafak 6mo ago

In Europe, those are scandals. In the US, it's another Tuesday.

joe_mamba 6mo ago
If we keep moving the goalposts you can make any argument
- Arodex 6mo ago
  What goalposts? Your sitting president, himself a conman is pardoning fraudsters left and right while he and his family enrich themselves with public money and extortion.
  - Ylpertnodi 6mo ago
    Shhhh, don't tell them, it'll be funnier at the end.
    - joe_mamba 6mo ago
      What's "the end"?
  - joe_mamba 6mo ago
    > Your sitting president, himself a conman Joke's on you, I'm European not American, so "your president" in this case would be the unelected Ursula and she would technically be a con-woman, not a con-man. Not sure what your argument was supposed to prove with this cheap jab though.
    - Arodex 6mo ago
      Ursula Van der Leyen was elected. Trump too. If you argue she wasn't elected by the European population, well, Trump technically isn't too.

pyrale 6mo ago

Let me rephrase this: companies want to avoid breaking the law unknowingly, because their US providers are going to break the law without notice, willingly or unwillingly. Plenty of corporations are willing to break the rules, but never for free.

guywithahat 6mo ago
> because their US providers are going to break the law without notice, willingly or unwillingly This is a weird hill to die on because it's not true. I can't find anything to support your world view and if anything evidence points to the contrary. Europe has a deliberately more complex legal framework, usually in the hopes of keeping out foreign competition (although it's dubious whether or not that actually works).
- pyrale 6mo ago
  > I can't find anything to support your world view Just look at US laws pertaining to data that goes through US companies.

Arodex 6mo ago

Thank you for your brilliant demonstration of survivorship bias. How many people were punished for Enron? For the subprime crisis? Etc. In the US, you just give a little money for the president's ballroom and you are pardoned. Or you settle out of court because your justice system is crap.

selectodude 6mo ago
The CEO of Enron was convicted and died two months before sentencing and the COO got 12 years. Interestingly the chief accountant of Enron ended up getting a job in Europe after he got out of prison.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago
  >Interestingly the chief accountant of Enron ended up getting a job in Europe after he got out of prison. But, but ..Europeans here said they don't tolerate crooks.
  - Arodex 6mo ago
    The parent poster is implying things that aren't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fastow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fastow