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Don't forget that Germans were able to quickly find people they wanted to exterminate by going through municipal and church records. Today it will be much easie

Don't forget that Germans were able to quickly find people they wanted to exterminate by going through municipal and church records. Today it will be much easier thanks to push for Digital ID. Choose demographic and the dashboard will show where everyone is and their connections.

billypilgrim 6mo ago
Ten years ago multiple tech giants openly stated they would not help the Trump administration build a Muslim registry [1]. Since then, several of them have bowed the knee and donated to his second inauguration. I’m from Germany, and keep wondering how much more damage the NSDAP could have done if they had access to the data these companies now have on everybody. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/16/13990234/google-muslim-registry-refusal-donald-trump-silicon-valley https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/16/13990234/google-muslim-r...
- blub 6mo ago
  Germany has the Schufa. Should be trivial to narrow down to a specific group based on name only.
- snowpid 6mo ago
  Again a reminder that Google etc have data far more than historical dictatorship like Stasi, KGB etc. just for better marketing. we need better data protection though GDPR is a good start.
nicbou 6mo ago
Germany already has religion logged in the Melderegister
- flohofwoe 6mo ago
  This was voluntarily before 2022 and has been removed entirely since 2022: https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2022/kw39-de-personenstandsrecht-911384 https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2022/kw39-de-p... https://www.vaticannews.va/de/kirche/news/2022-10/deutschland-religionseintrag-bei-personenregister-entfaellt.html https://www.vaticannews.va/de/kirche/news/2022-10/deutschlan...
  - nicbou 6mo ago
    I'm a little confused. It's still a field on the registration form and is used to collect Church tax, right? My last Anmeldung was in 2019 so I might have missed something.
phatfish 6mo ago
Corporations already have a "digital ID" for everyone. As we know from WW2 (and more recent conflicts) private corporations would be lining up to work with the next Nazi regime if the price was right.
watwut 6mo ago
The choosen demographic in Poland was easy to find without any records. Jews were mostly orthodox and easily visibly different and poor. Polish were basically "anyone there" no records necessary.
- varispeed 6mo ago
  They were going after key people like academics, engineers, doctors, artists first.
  - expedition32 6mo ago
    Yeah the Nazis had future plans for Poland. The idea was to make the entire country into illiterate slaves. A lot of people don't know that although what the Nazis did was obviously terrible it was nothing compared to what they wanted to do. Poland survived 60 years of communism. It would not have survived national socialism.
    - datsci_est_2015 6mo ago
      Specifically a national socialism predicated on a definition of “nation” that was based on dubious race science and excluded anyone whose physical appearance or genealogy was “Polish”.
    - 0rzech 6mo ago
      There was a version which considered leaving 15%-20% of the Polish population to be slaves, but "In 1941, the German leadership decided to destroy the Polish nation completely, and in 15–20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[16]: 32 A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through mass murder, destruction of culture, banning education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan, this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[46]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#Poland
lifestyleguru 6mo ago
Digital ID? Kiddos <25 years old give away 3D face scans and fingerprints at the gym, grocery store, and in the gambling mobile app.

billypilgrim 6mo ago

Ten years ago multiple tech giants openly stated they would not help the Trump administration build a Muslim registry [1]. Since then, several of them have bowed the knee and donated to his second inauguration. I’m from Germany, and keep wondering how much more damage the NSDAP could have done if they had access to the data these companies now have on everybody. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/16/13990234/google-muslim-registry-refusal-donald-trump-silicon-valley https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/16/13990234/google-muslim-r...

blub 6mo ago
Germany has the Schufa. Should be trivial to narrow down to a specific group based on name only.
snowpid 6mo ago
Again a reminder that Google etc have data far more than historical dictatorship like Stasi, KGB etc. just for better marketing. we need better data protection though GDPR is a good start.

nicbou 6mo ago

Germany already has religion logged in the Melderegister

flohofwoe 6mo ago
This was voluntarily before 2022 and has been removed entirely since 2022: https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2022/kw39-de-personenstandsrecht-911384 https://www.bundestag.de/dokumente/textarchiv/2022/kw39-de-p... https://www.vaticannews.va/de/kirche/news/2022-10/deutschland-religionseintrag-bei-personenregister-entfaellt.html https://www.vaticannews.va/de/kirche/news/2022-10/deutschlan...
- nicbou 6mo ago
  I'm a little confused. It's still a field on the registration form and is used to collect Church tax, right? My last Anmeldung was in 2019 so I might have missed something.

phatfish 6mo ago

Corporations already have a "digital ID" for everyone. As we know from WW2 (and more recent conflicts) private corporations would be lining up to work with the next Nazi regime if the price was right.

watwut 6mo ago

The choosen demographic in Poland was easy to find without any records. Jews were mostly orthodox and easily visibly different and poor. Polish were basically "anyone there" no records necessary.

varispeed 6mo ago
They were going after key people like academics, engineers, doctors, artists first.
- expedition32 6mo ago
  Yeah the Nazis had future plans for Poland. The idea was to make the entire country into illiterate slaves. A lot of people don't know that although what the Nazis did was obviously terrible it was nothing compared to what they wanted to do. Poland survived 60 years of communism. It would not have survived national socialism.
  - datsci_est_2015 6mo ago
    Specifically a national socialism predicated on a definition of “nation” that was based on dubious race science and excluded anyone whose physical appearance or genealogy was “Polish”.
  - 0rzech 6mo ago
    There was a version which considered leaving 15%-20% of the Polish population to be slaves, but "In 1941, the German leadership decided to destroy the Polish nation completely, and in 15–20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[16]: 32 A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through mass murder, destruction of culture, banning education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan, this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[46]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#Poland

lifestyleguru 6mo ago

Digital ID? Kiddos <25 years old give away 3D face scans and fingerprints at the gym, grocery store, and in the gambling mobile app.