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People undoubtedly said this was not realistic in many car-clogged European cities before some actually did it. “Realism” here is just a measure of the current
by moomin 6mo ago
People undoubtedly said this was not realistic in many car-clogged European cities before some actually did it. “Realism” here is just a measure of the current number of votes you have for making things better.
- altairprime 6mo agoIt helps to replace ‘realistic’ with ‘palatable’, which at least conveys the issue more precisely as one of desirability rather than capability. Most U.S. voters for someone who interferes with drivers on behalf of non-drivers.
- bryanlarsen 6mo agoStreets are narrower in Europe. It should be easier in the US.
- tsss 6mo ago[flagged]
- rsynnott 6mo ago... Are you claiming that there are few or no European cities with extensive separated bike lanes or something?
- retired 6mo agoThere is Copenhagen. And Dutch cities. I don't know if there are any other European cities with extensive separated bike lanes. Valencia has some bike lanes but I wouldn't call them extensive. Only 143 kilometers versus 515 kilometers in Amsterdam, which has a similar population.
- datsci_est_2015 6mo agoBerlin certainly qualifies. If not by metric, then by vibe. Lightyears ahead of Chicago which I rate as a good city to bike in the US (and getting better under the current batch of aldercreatures). 143km sounds like quite a bit though, especially since separated bike lanes are usually for main thoroughfares, whereas many low-traffic side streets you simply bike down the middle.
- rsynnott 6mo agoA lot of Berlin's is footpath-based, right? They seem to be talking about segregated bike lanes, so that arguably wouldn't qualify (though it _is_ likely much safer than on-road).
- datsci_est_2015 6mo agoOh I guess I didn’t know the distinction. As a user of both I actually prefer the footpath based to the segregated bike lanes, although it seems to work best on the widest of Berlins streets where all of the following can coexist laterally: - Storefront - Outdoor seating - Footpath (room for both ways) - Bike lane (one way) - Greenery (trees or shrubs) - Car door buffer - Parking lane - One or two lanes one way traffic - Green median - All the above mirrored for the other side Example of this is Yorckstr. south of Mitte
- rsynnott 6mo agoInclined to agree; only real problem with the on-street ones (presuming there's enough room for them) is that visitors unfamiliar with them tend to walk in them and cause a nuisance. The first time I was in Berlin I nearly got hit by a couple of bikes before I realised that the slightly-differently-coloured footpath meant something...
- rsynnott 6mo agoIt likely depends how you're defining separated. Some cities go for completely separate routes, some curb separation, some bollard separation, some on-footpath separation. Some use a chaotic mix (Dublin, say, is building a 300km segregated system, but because this is being delivered by seven local authorities plus the National Transport Authority, it is a mix of seemingly every possible solution, including weird stuff like contraflow bike lanes, and bike lanes between on-street parking and the footpath).
- SOLAR_FIELDS 6mo agoMalmö has some of the best bike lanes in the world, IMO even better than Amsterdam and Copenhagen, who I'd say are top tier. Literally 2 meters wide at some points and separated by divider from even walking traffic
- retired 6mo agoForgot that one. Yes, with its low density and flat ground Malmo is a good candidate for cycling and they did it well. It will not take long before they are up to Dutch standards. Comparison with Amsterdam is maybe not fair as Amsterdam has the worst cycling infrastructure of The Netherlands.
- gadhra 6mo agoCopenhagen seems to have figured it out.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 6mo agoAlost all major cities France. Paris, Lyon, Bordeaux, Lille, Strasbourg. Should I go on?