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Did the US defeating Japan/Germany/Italy/etc. in WWII involve genocide? I think Western civilization as a whole has completely forgotten how to win wars. Now,

by maratd 14y ago

Did the US defeating Japan/Germany/Italy/etc. in WWII involve genocide? I think Western civilization as a whole has completely forgotten how to win wars. Now, they only know how to keep them going for decades. Please spare me your genocide tripe. An overwhelming military victory saves lives in the long run. That's the truth. Constantly wringing your hands and freaking out over every little thing leads to this ridiculous ongoing violence which harms the quality of life for millions on both sides.

njs12345 14y ago
How would you suggest achieving your 'overwhelming military victory' in Afghanistan, or Iraq?
- maratd 14y ago
  You need to realize what military victory is first. It is the annihilation of the old and the creation of the new. You destroy what you don't like and you create what you do like. In WWII, we weren't terrible fans of fascism. It was annihilated and replaced with Western-style democratic cultural norms and institutions. In the case of Eastern Germany, Poland, etc. it was communism. Regardless, there was never any debate that fascism had to go and what had to be put in place. And there was never any doubt that this must be done with force. Today, the idea of forcing a political system and a way of life onto an occupied territory is unthinkable. As a consequence, victory is not achievable. > How would you suggest achieving your 'overwhelming military victory' in Afghanistan, or Iraq? By a sustained and overwhelming effort to turn the cultures of those regions toward American values. Skip the bombing and the incursions. I would bomb them with DVDs of the Jersey Shore instead. Look up Ataturk for effective strategies of modernizing large tracts of Muslim populations.
anthonyb 14y ago
> I think Western civilization as a whole has completely forgotten how to win wars. Two points here: 1. Guerilla warfare has become a lot more effective in the 20th century. You can't just drive in with tanks any more. 2. Winning wars in the past has been done with horrific casualties to civilians and troops on both sides, and structural and economic damage that took decades to recover from. That's not winning a war in any sense.
guelo 14y ago
Yea it was really great when we were all macho and didn't give a shit and millions of people died when white guys wanted them to. We should bring that back. /sarcasm

by maratd 14y ago

njs12345 14y ago

How would you suggest achieving your 'overwhelming military victory' in Afghanistan, or Iraq?

maratd 14y ago
You need to realize what military victory is first. It is the annihilation of the old and the creation of the new. You destroy what you don't like and you create what you do like. In WWII, we weren't terrible fans of fascism. It was annihilated and replaced with Western-style democratic cultural norms and institutions. In the case of Eastern Germany, Poland, etc. it was communism. Regardless, there was never any debate that fascism had to go and what had to be put in place. And there was never any doubt that this must be done with force. Today, the idea of forcing a political system and a way of life onto an occupied territory is unthinkable. As a consequence, victory is not achievable. > How would you suggest achieving your 'overwhelming military victory' in Afghanistan, or Iraq? By a sustained and overwhelming effort to turn the cultures of those regions toward American values. Skip the bombing and the incursions. I would bomb them with DVDs of the Jersey Shore instead. Look up Ataturk for effective strategies of modernizing large tracts of Muslim populations.

anthonyb 14y ago

> I think Western civilization as a whole has completely forgotten how to win wars. Two points here: 1. Guerilla warfare has become a lot more effective in the 20th century. You can't just drive in with tanks any more. 2. Winning wars in the past has been done with horrific casualties to civilians and troops on both sides, and structural and economic damage that took decades to recover from. That's not winning a war in any sense.

guelo 14y ago

Yea it was really great when we were all macho and didn't give a shit and millions of people died when white guys wanted them to. We should bring that back. /sarcasm