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Is it worse? Wouldn't the red people end up with more like-minded red people?
by owenpalmer 5mo ago
Is it worse? Wouldn't the red people end up with more like-minded red people?
- ertgbnm 5mo agoI think most of the people who pick blue would be empathic, loving people that are just kind of bad at game theory. I don't think I want to live in a world in which they all died out.
- gpm 5mo ago> I don't think I want to live in a world in which they all died out. So the blue side would also include the people who are good at game theory...
- hx8 5mo agoBlue side definitely includes the population of people that would rather die than live in a world without blues and fully understand the consequences of that choice.
- throwaway173738 5mo agoThere’s no bad outcome for choosing red. The empathetic option is to convince everyone to vote red and that choosing blue is dumb.
- JuniperMesos 5mo agoOn the other hand, maybe a world where everyone who is bad at game theory is dead is a better world to live in, regardless of how nice or empathetic they are.
- davebren 5mo agoLiterally suicidal empathy. Although the numbers would change drastically if it was real, it's easy to virtue signal in hypotheticals.
- juggina 5mo ago[dead]
- swed420 5mo agoYes, the selfish-minded would end up with more selfish-minded people, and they'd be confused why their "low trust society" became even more low trust overnight.
- owenpalmer 5mo agoPerhaps red is selfish, but blue is most certainly foolish.
- swed420 5mo agoOr blue doesn't want to live in the world where only selfish/cynical people remain.
- card_zero 5mo agoConfusingly, though, as you are of course a nice person, if you vote red you'd demonstrate that some red voters are nice, and then the choice is less severe. Then voting red is like "I embrace humanity, warts and all", while voting blue is like "I cannot tolerate sharing the planet with anyone even slightly impure".
- swed420 5mo agoIt has some conflicting circular dependencies in assumptions which is why the thought experiment is kind of dumb overall.
- selfhoster1312 5mo agoI would personally assert it's foolish to pretend a species can survive without empathy and mutual aid. That's certainly not how humanity (or most, if not all, species) developed so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid:_A_Factor_of_Evolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid:_A_Factor_of_Evolut...
- rayiner 5mo ago
- enoint 5mo agoYes and yes. Without the core of blue workers, red people will need to open Atlas Shrugged about how to assign short order cook duty.
- rayiner 5mo agoI don’t think short order cooks are know for being that especially emphatic. Along with most of the folks who “do stuff”—build roads, maintain power lines, etc.
- selfhoster1312 5mo agoThere's actually many scientific studies which tend to show that empathy is inversely correlated with wealth. That's popular knowledge as old as class war, but it seems there may be scientific evidence to support that. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277354081_Social_class_affects_neural_empathic_responses https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277354081_Social_cl... https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1118373109 https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1118373109 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214140520300359 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S22141...
- enoint 5mo agoSo that Galt's Gulch could source a short order cook, Ayn Rank explained that a renown philosopher gave up his career to become one.