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I want to hear how you equate "misery and death" with "unloading a passenger in the bike lane for 30 seconds". I can't tell if you intend this a real analogy o

I want to hear how you equate "misery and death" with "unloading a passenger in the bike lane for 30 seconds". I can't tell if you intend this a real analogy or if you are overcome with rage when thinking about motor vehicles

brendoelfrendo 6mo ago
Cars pulling into cycling lanes injure and kill cyclists. Simple as.
ok_dad 6mo ago
Pulling into the bike lane for 30 seconds causes bikers to have to unsafely pull around the car, possibly causing accidents. In some cities and lanes you may be endangering dozens of bikers during the 30 seconds. I had to commute by foot for two years into a city, and I have to say I understand the rage. Cars nearly killed me a dozen times and I was always more safe than the law required of me as a pedestrian. Most drivers don’t understand their power with today’s massive cars.
- pandaman 6mo ago
  >Pulling into the bike lane for 30 seconds causes bikers to have to unsafely pull around the car Or, hear me out, they could stop if passing the car is unsafe.
  - ok_dad 6mo ago
    Victim blaming right there. They have as right to the lane, cars don’t.
    - pandaman 6mo ago
      Cars in London apparently have a right to pull over to drop and pick up passengers.
    - tjwebbnorfolk 6mo ago
      So you're advocating... what exactly? Crashing into the car on purpose because it's their right?
      - ok_dad 6mo ago
        No, what the fuck, I’m advocating for cars to stay the fuck in their own space. Are you being purposely obtuse?
abeppu 6mo ago
> Waymos pull over into bike lanes all the time for pickups and drop-offs and that’s neither legal nor safe. While perhaps drop-offs are often relatively quick (though perhaps more risky; see the dooring accident description in the article), I'm also really annoyed by Waymos waiting and blocking for pick-ups, which can be multiple minutes.
scoofy 6mo ago
I could give you dozens of examples of 30 seconds in a bike lane leading to cyclist life altering injuries and deaths.
jMyles 6mo ago
> I want to hear how you equate "misery and death" with "unloading a passenger in the bike lane for 30 seconds". I didn't say that. I'm saying that the toll of traffic violence is unacceptable - tens of thousands of unanticipated and often gruesome fatalities, along with much larger numbers of injuries and traumatic experiences. So we look to autonomous vehicles to be better-behaved - particularly in terms of speed and attention, but also in the little things, like lawful/traditional engagement with lanes for smaller conveyances. I'm an avid cyclist and I kinda hate bike lanes; I don't blame cars for not knowing how to treat them. I much prefer either a shared lane with a slow pace or a totally separated trail for bikes. But at the end of the day, the standard for autonomous vehicles isn't parity with the negligence and aggression that cars currently foist upon society, it's much higher.

brendoelfrendo 6mo ago

Cars pulling into cycling lanes injure and kill cyclists. Simple as.

ok_dad 6mo ago

Pulling into the bike lane for 30 seconds causes bikers to have to unsafely pull around the car, possibly causing accidents. In some cities and lanes you may be endangering dozens of bikers during the 30 seconds. I had to commute by foot for two years into a city, and I have to say I understand the rage. Cars nearly killed me a dozen times and I was always more safe than the law required of me as a pedestrian. Most drivers don’t understand their power with today’s massive cars.

pandaman 6mo ago
>Pulling into the bike lane for 30 seconds causes bikers to have to unsafely pull around the car Or, hear me out, they could stop if passing the car is unsafe.
- ok_dad 6mo ago
  Victim blaming right there. They have as right to the lane, cars don’t.
  - pandaman 6mo ago
    Cars in London apparently have a right to pull over to drop and pick up passengers.
  - tjwebbnorfolk 6mo ago
    So you're advocating... what exactly? Crashing into the car on purpose because it's their right?
    - ok_dad 6mo ago
      No, what the fuck, I’m advocating for cars to stay the fuck in their own space. Are you being purposely obtuse?

abeppu 6mo ago

> Waymos pull over into bike lanes all the time for pickups and drop-offs and that’s neither legal nor safe. While perhaps drop-offs are often relatively quick (though perhaps more risky; see the dooring accident description in the article), I'm also really annoyed by Waymos waiting and blocking for pick-ups, which can be multiple minutes.

scoofy 6mo ago

I could give you dozens of examples of 30 seconds in a bike lane leading to cyclist life altering injuries and deaths.

jMyles 6mo ago

> I want to hear how you equate "misery and death" with "unloading a passenger in the bike lane for 30 seconds". I didn't say that. I'm saying that the toll of traffic violence is unacceptable - tens of thousands of unanticipated and often gruesome fatalities, along with much larger numbers of injuries and traumatic experiences. So we look to autonomous vehicles to be better-behaved - particularly in terms of speed and attention, but also in the little things, like lawful/traditional engagement with lanes for smaller conveyances. I'm an avid cyclist and I kinda hate bike lanes; I don't blame cars for not knowing how to treat them. I much prefer either a shared lane with a slow pace or a totally separated trail for bikes. But at the end of the day, the standard for autonomous vehicles isn't parity with the negligence and aggression that cars currently foist upon society, it's much higher.