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"I looked, but couldn't find one instance of Iran chanting 'death to america' before Bush's 'axis of evil' comment." Ah, I'm a liar, they didn't say it? That i

"I looked, but couldn't find one instance of Iran chanting 'death to america' before Bush's 'axis of evil' comment." Ah, I'm a liar, they didn't say it? That is your ground truth? I didn't actually grow up in fear, fear caused by Iran's actions (historical context or not) and calls for revenge killing America? I must have imagined them saying it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America "Ruhollah Khomeini, the first supreme leader of Iran, popularized the term." And before you bring up the bullshit 'English interpretation' Iran makes the same call for Israel normally immediately after calling for death to the USA, and Iran is very explicate they want Israel's destruction. So don't project some definition on the first half that doesn't fit 'death to American death to Israel' knowing Iran want's Israels death actual. They held those people for over 400 days. Religious leaders, especially supreme ones, should not call for the death of entire societies. 10 years olds should not be giving the context for why it is OK to call for them, their families, everyone they knows death and destruction by supreme religious leaders and told 'actually, they are justified in their calls to revenge kill you, so relax'.

pazimzadeh 6mo ago
I said "I looked but couldn't find it." If you think that's calling you a liar then you have big problems. I grant that you were right on that point, I was wrong. Cool. You sound like you know a lot about Persian rhetoric. Maybe you speak Farsi? No, then where are you getting this information? Are you aware there was a cooling of US-Iran relations during the presidency of Khatami? You'd be aware if you read what I wrote earlier. I assume that you're equally upset when the wife of the 'democracy-loving' 'crown prince of Iran' says "Death to the Left"? Are you going to address anything else that I mentioned, or do you just do selective rebuttals? > They held those people for over 400 days. And? 200-500k Iranians died during the Iran-Iraq war, supported by the US. 290 civilians died when Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down. Let me repeat a few things for you that you ignored. Embassy staff was destroying evidence of the 1953 coup when the embassy was taken, and the US didn't admit to its role in the coup until 2009. But you trust everything Steve Witkoff says right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z_CIA_cable_from_American_Embassy_Tehran.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z... You don't care that Reagan had a deal with the mullahs to keep those 400 Americans hostage? You don't care that Reagan & Republicans sold weapons to Iran, which apparently definitely wants to murder your parents and grandparents and your best friends? You don't care that the US helped Saddam invade and gassing Iranian cities, villages, and civilians because Iran held Americans hostage for 444 days? Are you ok?
- _DeadFred_ 6mo ago
  I literally googled 'death to america chant'. That was the extent of the depth of what you presented me immediately before stating "Hopefully you can appreciate why your feelings don't trump the ground truth.". A 10 year olds feelings are what they are. I grew up with an inherent distrust of Iran/Islam because of Iranian words/actions. Those actions that turned me off may be justified in your mind, but does not make their impacts/consequences zero, and part of that is I get to have my own feelings about Iran based on Iran's supreme Islamic religious leaders and their followers calling my my nation's destruction for over 40 years, 70 years after the 1953 actions. Over half of America wasn't even born then. You are doing way to much defining some caricature of me to engage with you. "But you trust everything Steve Witkoff says right? " "You don't care that Reagan" "You don't care that Reagan" "You don't care that the US " That is not engaging in discussion. Nor does it address what I said, it only attempts to justify calls for the death of millions by Iran (and two entire societies, the USA, then immediately the chant follows with calles for the death of Israel). I have stated elsewhere what the US did is vile. Nixon is vile. Read my comment history, I hate Reagan. But that doesn't then lead to a framework for why calling for revenge killing of millions and two entire societies is OK by a country's leaders and supreme religious experts/theologians. It is wrong. Especially coming from supreme religious leaders. Yet not one person replying to me is willing to admit that is vile coming from a religious leader. No one will admit calling for revenge killing is not acceptable, especially at the national leadership level/social death scale and against two entire societies. And it is a call for death. It goes 'death to America, death to Israel' and Iran VERY VERY MUCH DOES want Israel dead/gone/destroyed. It would make no sense that the preceding reference to the USA (considered the great satan) would be more benevolent than that following "death to Israel" (the little satan).
  - pazimzadeh 6mo ago
    I glanced at some of your other comments. You think that when Trump calls for death of their civilization it’s rhetorical bluster, but when Iran says death to America it’s real. You think Shia are more dangerous to America than Sunni because of words, completely ignoring 9/11. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47896662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47896662 Khomeini wrote a book about his views and plans. So why did the US and the West stand by and let him take over Iran? How come when Khomeini stepped off the plane he was flanked by a US ambassador and a rabbi? https://youtu.be/7vxNVLC8EE8?t=646&si=JgLbYTHfbVp0A3Ky https://youtu.be/7vxNVLC8EE8?t=646&si=JgLbYTHfbVp0A3Ky You care more about words than the actual gassing and murder of Iranian civilians by US-supported Saddam Hussein? When I visited Iran in 2008, half of my extended family had pictures of their kids on the wall who they lost during the Iraq-Iran war. So why should anyone care how you felt when you were 10 years old? Israel wants Palestine gone and everyone around them weak, Iran wants Israel gone. What’s actually happening on the ground? Who’s closer to achieving their goals? Are you aware Israel funded Hamas, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS? Do you think Israel actually wants a strong secular Iran? I do believe you’re traumatized by what you heard when you were little, which is probably why you’re stuck at a child’s pathos-based reasoning, and you block out anything that doesn’t your childhood memory.

pazimzadeh 6mo ago

I said "I looked but couldn't find it." If you think that's calling you a liar then you have big problems. I grant that you were right on that point, I was wrong. Cool. You sound like you know a lot about Persian rhetoric. Maybe you speak Farsi? No, then where are you getting this information? Are you aware there was a cooling of US-Iran relations during the presidency of Khatami? You'd be aware if you read what I wrote earlier. I assume that you're equally upset when the wife of the 'democracy-loving' 'crown prince of Iran' says "Death to the Left"? Are you going to address anything else that I mentioned, or do you just do selective rebuttals? > They held those people for over 400 days. And? 200-500k Iranians died during the Iran-Iraq war, supported by the US. 290 civilians died when Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down. Let me repeat a few things for you that you ignored. Embassy staff was destroying evidence of the 1953 coup when the embassy was taken, and the US didn't admit to its role in the coup until 2009. But you trust everything Steve Witkoff says right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z_CIA_cable_from_American_Embassy_Tehran.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z... You don't care that Reagan had a deal with the mullahs to keep those 400 Americans hostage? You don't care that Reagan & Republicans sold weapons to Iran, which apparently definitely wants to murder your parents and grandparents and your best friends? You don't care that the US helped Saddam invade and gassing Iranian cities, villages, and civilians because Iran held Americans hostage for 444 days? Are you ok?

_DeadFred_ 6mo ago
I literally googled 'death to america chant'. That was the extent of the depth of what you presented me immediately before stating "Hopefully you can appreciate why your feelings don't trump the ground truth.". A 10 year olds feelings are what they are. I grew up with an inherent distrust of Iran/Islam because of Iranian words/actions. Those actions that turned me off may be justified in your mind, but does not make their impacts/consequences zero, and part of that is I get to have my own feelings about Iran based on Iran's supreme Islamic religious leaders and their followers calling my my nation's destruction for over 40 years, 70 years after the 1953 actions. Over half of America wasn't even born then. You are doing way to much defining some caricature of me to engage with you. "But you trust everything Steve Witkoff says right? " "You don't care that Reagan" "You don't care that Reagan" "You don't care that the US " That is not engaging in discussion. Nor does it address what I said, it only attempts to justify calls for the death of millions by Iran (and two entire societies, the USA, then immediately the chant follows with calles for the death of Israel). I have stated elsewhere what the US did is vile. Nixon is vile. Read my comment history, I hate Reagan. But that doesn't then lead to a framework for why calling for revenge killing of millions and two entire societies is OK by a country's leaders and supreme religious experts/theologians. It is wrong. Especially coming from supreme religious leaders. Yet not one person replying to me is willing to admit that is vile coming from a religious leader. No one will admit calling for revenge killing is not acceptable, especially at the national leadership level/social death scale and against two entire societies. And it is a call for death. It goes 'death to America, death to Israel' and Iran VERY VERY MUCH DOES want Israel dead/gone/destroyed. It would make no sense that the preceding reference to the USA (considered the great satan) would be more benevolent than that following "death to Israel" (the little satan).
- pazimzadeh 6mo ago
  I glanced at some of your other comments. You think that when Trump calls for death of their civilization it’s rhetorical bluster, but when Iran says death to America it’s real. You think Shia are more dangerous to America than Sunni because of words, completely ignoring 9/11. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47896662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47896662 Khomeini wrote a book about his views and plans. So why did the US and the West stand by and let him take over Iran? How come when Khomeini stepped off the plane he was flanked by a US ambassador and a rabbi? https://youtu.be/7vxNVLC8EE8?t=646&si=JgLbYTHfbVp0A3Ky https://youtu.be/7vxNVLC8EE8?t=646&si=JgLbYTHfbVp0A3Ky You care more about words than the actual gassing and murder of Iranian civilians by US-supported Saddam Hussein? When I visited Iran in 2008, half of my extended family had pictures of their kids on the wall who they lost during the Iraq-Iran war. So why should anyone care how you felt when you were 10 years old? Israel wants Palestine gone and everyone around them weak, Iran wants Israel gone. What’s actually happening on the ground? Who’s closer to achieving their goals? Are you aware Israel funded Hamas, Al-Qaeda, and ISIS? Do you think Israel actually wants a strong secular Iran? I do believe you’re traumatized by what you heard when you were little, which is probably why you’re stuck at a child’s pathos-based reasoning, and you block out anything that doesn’t your childhood memory.