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Eden AI – European Alternative to OpenRouter
- reneberlin 5mo agoThis website doesn't even comply with general basic standards for imprint and responsible persons and firms behind it. So if i proxy this misbehaviour to the rest of the whole: european answer-claim ... and the nameservers are on cloudflare. goodbye.
- stingraycharles 5mo agoWhat I find interesting is that initially, I thought this was some low effort slop project, but apparently it has existed for 4 years already!
- RadiozRadioz 5mo agoOut of curiosity, what are "general basic standards for imprint and responsible persons and firms behind it" ?
- ascorbic 5mo agoIt's not a German website, so it doesn't need an imprint
- embedding-shape 5mo agoGerman websites are not the only ones where having an imprint is required, if the website is run by a legal business. AFAIK, it's the same in France (called "mentions légales" apparently), Austria, Switzerland and probably some more too. Not sure why you'd sound so confident and not qualifying it somehow when it seems you don't actually know what you're talking about, and it's so easy to lookup before spewing wrong information.
- confiq 5mo agoyes, Impressum (imprint) is require by every business that offer services for Germany. So 100% with you here...
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- wongarsu 5mo agoEven their legal documents (terms of use, DPA, privacy agreement) just lists them as Eden AI France contact@edenai.co The terms of use start with the words "Eden AI is a French company" but as far as I can tell there is no registered French company with that name. There is a likely unrelated British company of that name, and a French "Eden AI SAS" that was closed five months ago that helped companies create and execute workshops Edit: looking more closely, it's the company orginally known as "Datagenius SAS" based in Lyon, France. They changed their name to "Eden AI SAS" in 2022 (or maybe it's an alternative name? I am not too familiar with how this works in France), and their datagenius homepage links to the submitted page. https://www.datagenius.fr/ https://www.datagenius.fr/ If anyone wants to send them a letter, the registered address of the company is 142 Rue De Crequi, F-69003 Lyon That took slightly more work to figure out than I would expect from a website that has the word "transparency" in the headline, but at least they do exist
- databasa 5mo agoLet's hope so, although, as others say, it should be more independent from foreign services if it is to be sold as fully EU-based.
- muyuu 5mo agodidn't see any claims to being EU-based, just "built in Europe"
- neya 5mo agoSo, there is 0 differentiation from this and OpenRouter. The only difference is just that it is European in name only, but underlying services are not. And the pricing also isn't any cheaper. So, why would I spend my development hours switching to this than just stay on OpenRouter? Just because it's an "EU" alternative? The webpage doesn't even comply with basic GDPR requirements. Sigh.
- m00dy 5mo agoyeah, why is it on the front page ? I can videcode it in 3 hours or maybe even less.
- jasonsb 5mo ago[dead]
- mft_ 5mo agoIndeed; a "European" router serving mostly US models is (deliberately?) missing the point.
- k__ 5mo agoHow come? You can use it with just European models if you want.
- embedding-shape 5mo agoIf you think a routing service based in one country should only use the models from that country, I think you may be the one who is missing the entire point of a routing service in the first place.
- mft_ 5mo agoIt’s the other way around. People are concerned about the various implications of the US and China owning all of the best models, and Europe not really being at the races (Mistral noted). Switching to a European router achieves very little against the current backdrop.
- mhitza 5mo agoTitle is misleading. The page (unless I missed it on a skim) states that it's built in Europe. "European Alternative" has a different connotation as visible in the other comments.
- _pdp_ 5mo agoSuch initiatives are very much welcome and I am happy to to start using them. However, my issue is that it appears that many of these models are simply proxied from the specific cloud provider with fees attached which does not bring a lot of value given the 5% surcharge. Since all frontier models are owned by US companies, I think better alternative is to focus on open source models only that run on EU data centers owned by EU companies. That will be something.
- cyanydeez 5mo agoall frontier models are not owned by US.
- gpjt 5mo agoWhich are not? There are Chinese models that are only months behind, which is impressive -- but they are still behind.
- dvfjsdhgfv 5mo agoNot that much, though, and the gap seems diminishing every couple of months.
- _pdp_ 5mo agoLet's hope this trends only continues. A few months behind is not such a big deal. That being said, a few months = a year with these models.
- gpjt 5mo agoYup, agreed -- it's amazing how close they are getting! I was just wondering if there was some true frontier non-US model that I'd missed.
- confiq 5mo agomodels run on EU servers so it never leaves the EU. "allegedly"
- nubg 5mo agoThe European Alternative to Openrouter would be a simple open source proxy, not yet another proprietary service.
- embedding-shape 5mo agoIs OpenRouter just a simple open source proxy? If not, how could that possibly be a relevant alternative for people using OpenRouter today?
- vidarh 5mo agoOpenRouter is far more than a simple proxy.
- nkzd 5mo agoHow so? I haven’t tried it, I stick to one provider for my projects.
- vidarh 5mo agoIt provides failover between multiple providers (of both the same model, with routing based on price, performance or availability, and you can define presets that allows automated failover to entirely different models if you want), middleware/plugins - such as optionally adding auto-compaction or web search, detailed logging, making all the models available via either OpenAI or Anthropic compatible API endpoints.
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- swiftcoder 5mo agoUnder what circumstances would one pay a 5.5% premium so that an EU-built (but not EU hosted) routing layer could proxy to US/chinese model providers?
- alexmercerdev 5mo agoPractically, I think the premium only makes sense if the routing layer gives you something operational: one contract/invoice, EU support/legal process, spend caps, audit logs, maybe provider fallback. If it's just a pass-through to the same US/China model endpoints with +5.5%, I don't see much reason for devs to switch on price or sovereignty grounds.
- vidarh 5mo agoI haven't looked at whether Eden does this, but Openrouter provides a number of these, and more. I go direct to the major providers, and use OpenRouter for the smaller ones because it saves me a lot of hassle. If Eden provides a similar feature set, I'd certainly consider them.
- stingraycharles 5mo agoIn a world where it enables you to tell your place of a work “just get us an account there so we have access to all models under a single billing account”. In other words, it solves an organizational problem, not a technical one. That’s what the 5.5% is for. Whether or not you prefer this or OpenRouter or one of the other LLM gateways is another discussion.
- rolandm 5mo agoBut OpenRouter also costs 5.5%: https://openrouter.ai/pricing https://openrouter.ai/pricing
- raincole 5mo agoAnd? The point is that it's routed to the same model. Is the middleman's nationality that important, especially when you already accept the existence of a middleman?
- poisonborz 5mo agoThis is what happens when there is actual political pressure, need from society, and EU making big mission statements - and then there is silence. Random grifters and vibe coders will come up to fill the demand of unsuspecting masses with low quality or scam products with an EU sticker on it. Or even the wolf in sheep costume, like aws.eu
- muzzy19 5mo agoI tested for a week, it is working fine.
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- Havoc 5mo agoWill switch over. Despite the concerns others have mentioned if pricing is similar then I'll take the EU version even if it's only EU-ish
- WhatsName 5mo agoSo it is, as required by law, compliant with the EU AI Act and GDPR? That would be an actual moat, otherwise most companies will probably not see the point. Why pay a EU middleman to non-EU services.
- jeroenhd 5mo agoI think there are plenty of business cases where finance departments will rubber stamp European companies much easier than American ones, even if they do the same thing. I don't think that's the case with this particular company. It's not clear who's running the show, it's not clear if they abide by any of the EU regulations, and their lack of proper documentation probably makes them more of a liability than an asset. Plus, for any of it to hold water, you'd need to set up all kinds of paperwork with the people providing the compute if you don't want to be just as impractical a partner as the American competitors. The business model is still sound.
- mgw 5mo agoEden AI is a solid product and it’s good that there are alternatives to OpenRouter out there. We don’t brand ourselves as such, but if you’re looking for a European OpenRouter alternative focusing on media models (image, video etc.), I‘ve built that with https://lumenfall.ai https://lumenfall.ai
- muzzy19 5mo ago> You pay providers directly. We charge nothing extra. How is it sustainable?
- mgw 5mo agoWe have direct relationships with providers and get volume discounts. Besides that, we‘ll introduce paid plans with additional features like observability soon.
- lukewarm707 5mo agoi would use this, but for the privacy issues: - no zero data retention available for the router itself (rights to retain data flagged by content scanning). - no stated privacy policies for the providers served on the api. quote: "we work with providers to understand their policies and can provide information about specific providers on request". on openrouter, on the positive side, they have transparent retention agreements for almost all providers, and also offer zdr. i wish there will be a time where privacy is for everyone, not just for people who can afford an enterprise sla
- lukewarm707 5mo agotrying to get genuine zero data retention agreements is one of the most exhausting things to do because data retention policies are so opaque or non-existent. aws, azure, cohere, mistral etc on here are all linked to generic privacy policies, it is impossible to tell what retention sla is in place. to the credit of openrouter, they do state the data retention policies of almost all, but not all of their providers. you can check the retention level for models on openrouter with the providers list. i was not able to find a retention policy for their plugin providers (exa and parallel). both log by default with enterprise opt in for zdr.
- cpldcpu 5mo agoGreat to see this! Worth mentioning that Huggingface already offers a similar service. And they are also European: https://huggingface.co/docs/inference-providers/index https://huggingface.co/docs/inference-providers/index https://huggingface.co/inference/models https://huggingface.co/inference/models
- muzzy19 5mo agoNice, but I could't find pay-as-you-go plan
- breisa 5mo agoThey only offer pay-as-you-go. The $9/month plan includes $2 credits and then its payg without markup.
- cpldcpu 5mo agohttps://huggingface.co/docs/inference-providers/pricing https://huggingface.co/docs/inference-providers/pricing It's well buried though. Does not seem to be a focus of theirs.
- Tepix 5mo agoHuggingface isn‘t european just because they have offices there.
- jubilanti 5mo agoHuggingface is about as European as Google, IBM, or Visa: they all have some offices in Europe.
- cpldcpu 5mo agonah... their founders and most of their employees are in france. Very ill-suited comparison to IBM.
- Tepix 5mo agocortecs.ai is the EU openrouter alternative.
- muzzy19 5mo agoit is even smaller, i saw only 4 people on LinkedIn
- dav80780631 5mo ago[dead]