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There are some pretty substantial differences. Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned

by roenxi 6mo ago

There are some pretty substantial differences. Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Hitler was more about wanting more land and resources for Germany, and he saw war as being a legitimate tool for achieving his aims that he deployed early and enthusiastically.

8954789543547 6mo ago
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wiseowise 6mo ago
> Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Is that why Russians rejected negotiations when Ukraine offered to never join NATO and Russians insist on keeping invaded territories?
defrost 6mo ago
NATO has advanced into which part of Russia?
- roenxi 6mo ago
  Not Russia, Eastern Europe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO
  - defrost 6mo ago
    So, NATO hasn't advanced into Russia then? Just Russia advancing into the Ukraine (after promising not to if the USSR nukes were given to Russia)? Gotcha.
    - brabel 6mo ago
      I know it’s what about ism but I really hope you apply the same logic when Cuba once more tried to enter an alliance with Russia or China to defend itself against a larger aggressor next door. So while I agree that Russia should allow Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO, I also think that’s only fair if countries like Brazil, Cuba and Venezuela are freely allowed to determine their futures by joining Russia, China and Iran military alliances. But you and I know that’s not going to happen. So please let’s stop pretending we don’t have double standards.
      - defrost 6mo ago
        As you've chosen to address me directly I'll reply honestly, I have zero concern about Cuba, Venezuela, any of the 190+ countries on the planet, wanting to join or form BRICs. I have considerably more concern about the ability of a post MAGA USofA to successfully navigate such a world via soft power as they appear to have flushed all the competent diplomatic talent down a golden toilet.
        justsomehnguy 6mo ago
        > I have zero concern about Cuba, Venezuela, any of the 190+ countries on the planet But somehow you are extremely concerned about one country which is on the other side of planet of you.
        defrost 6mo ago
        Pardon my ignorance here; which country are you talking about, what trade bloc are they trying to join, and what extreme concern have I expressed?
  - rcxdude 6mo ago
    Eastern Europe is not Russia and Russia does not automatically get a say in what Eastern Europe does because they are nearby. Russia seems to believe it is entitled to a sphere of influence. That the US does a milder version of what they're doing (which is also wrong) doesn't make their approach OK (or even effective).
collinfunk 6mo ago
> There are some pretty substantial differences. Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. His rationale for invading Ukraine was to "demilitarise and denazify" it. The NATO point seems largely be invented by people who dislike NATO in the west. > They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. I hope the "tension" you are referring to was not the little green men taking over Crimea and the Donbas in 2014. > Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. This is a totally unseriousness statement. Can you remind me what Putin was doing in Syria again?
- roenxi 6mo ago
  There's an english transcript [0] of his speech from when they went in up on the Kremin website. He opened with something like > I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border. They're claiming the NATO thing is relevant. Opening paragraph justification. [0] http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67843 http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67843
resonancel 6mo ago
Did Putin do anything meaningful to stop "NATO's advance" into the Baltic Sea? Maybe Putin was so pacifist that he let Sweden and Finland join the NATO with impunity.

by roenxi 6mo ago

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wiseowise 6mo ago

> Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Is that why Russians rejected negotiations when Ukraine offered to never join NATO and Russians insist on keeping invaded territories?

defrost 6mo ago

NATO has advanced into which part of Russia?

roenxi 6mo ago
Not Russia, Eastern Europe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO
- defrost 6mo ago
  So, NATO hasn't advanced into Russia then? Just Russia advancing into the Ukraine (after promising not to if the USSR nukes were given to Russia)? Gotcha.
  - brabel 6mo ago
    I know it’s what about ism but I really hope you apply the same logic when Cuba once more tried to enter an alliance with Russia or China to defend itself against a larger aggressor next door. So while I agree that Russia should allow Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO, I also think that’s only fair if countries like Brazil, Cuba and Venezuela are freely allowed to determine their futures by joining Russia, China and Iran military alliances. But you and I know that’s not going to happen. So please let’s stop pretending we don’t have double standards.
    - defrost 6mo ago
      As you've chosen to address me directly I'll reply honestly, I have zero concern about Cuba, Venezuela, any of the 190+ countries on the planet, wanting to join or form BRICs. I have considerably more concern about the ability of a post MAGA USofA to successfully navigate such a world via soft power as they appear to have flushed all the competent diplomatic talent down a golden toilet.
      - justsomehnguy 6mo ago
        > I have zero concern about Cuba, Venezuela, any of the 190+ countries on the planet But somehow you are extremely concerned about one country which is on the other side of planet of you.
        defrost 6mo ago
        Pardon my ignorance here; which country are you talking about, what trade bloc are they trying to join, and what extreme concern have I expressed?
- rcxdude 6mo ago
  Eastern Europe is not Russia and Russia does not automatically get a say in what Eastern Europe does because they are nearby. Russia seems to believe it is entitled to a sphere of influence. That the US does a milder version of what they're doing (which is also wrong) doesn't make their approach OK (or even effective).

collinfunk 6mo ago

> There are some pretty substantial differences. Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. His rationale for invading Ukraine was to "demilitarise and denazify" it. The NATO point seems largely be invented by people who dislike NATO in the west. > They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. I hope the "tension" you are referring to was not the little green men taking over Crimea and the Donbas in 2014. > Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. This is a totally unseriousness statement. Can you remind me what Putin was doing in Syria again?

roenxi 6mo ago
There's an english transcript [0] of his speech from when they went in up on the Kremin website. He opened with something like > I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border. They're claiming the NATO thing is relevant. Opening paragraph justification. [0] http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67843 http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67843

resonancel 6mo ago

Did Putin do anything meaningful to stop "NATO's advance" into the Baltic Sea? Maybe Putin was so pacifist that he let Sweden and Finland join the NATO with impunity.