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But it's still incompetent. You'd expect the IDF to keep saying things like "We extend our condolences to the innocent people killed by our missiles. We wish

by three14 14y ago

But it's still incompetent. You'd expect the IDF to keep saying things like "We extend our condolences to the innocent people killed by our missiles. We wish we had a better way to stop the missles. We hold Hamas responsible for murdering their fellow Palestinians by creating this conflict." Instead we get "Ahmed Jabari: Eliminated."

maratd 14y ago
> You'd expect the IDF to keep saying things like "We extend our condolences The point of propaganda is to project strength, not to apologize. The reason this conflict exists in the first place, is due to a vast lack of perception of strength on either side. A squirrel doesn't pick a fight with a bear. It just doesn't happen. In short, Israel doesn't have the balls to end this and Hamas doesn't have the means.
- guelo 14y ago
  The balls to end this? Would that entail the genocide of the 1.6 million people living there?
  - maratd 14y ago
    Did the US defeating Japan/Germany/Italy/etc. in WWII involve genocide? I think Western civilization as a whole has completely forgotten how to win wars. Now, they only know how to keep them going for decades. Please spare me your genocide tripe. An overwhelming military victory saves lives in the long run. That's the truth. Constantly wringing your hands and freaking out over every little thing leads to this ridiculous ongoing violence which harms the quality of life for millions on both sides.
    - njs12345 14y ago
      How would you suggest achieving your 'overwhelming military victory' in Afghanistan, or Iraq?
      - maratd 14y ago
        You need to realize what military victory is first. It is the annihilation of the old and the creation of the new. You destroy what you don't like and you create what you do like. In WWII, we weren't terrible fans of fascism. It was annihilated and replaced with Western-style democratic cultural norms and institutions. In the case of Eastern Germany, Poland, etc. it was communism. Regardless, there was never any debate that fascism had to go and what had to be put in place. And there was never any doubt that this must be done with force. Today, the idea of forcing a political system and a way of life onto an occupied territory is unthinkable. As a consequence, victory is not achievable. > How would you suggest achieving your 'overwhelming military victory' in Afghanistan, or Iraq? By a sustained and overwhelming effort to turn the cultures of those regions toward American values. Skip the bombing and the incursions. I would bomb them with DVDs of the Jersey Shore instead. Look up Ataturk for effective strategies of modernizing large tracts of Muslim populations.
    - anthonyb 14y ago
      > I think Western civilization as a whole has completely forgotten how to win wars. Two points here: 1. Guerilla warfare has become a lot more effective in the 20th century. You can't just drive in with tanks any more. 2. Winning wars in the past has been done with horrific casualties to civilians and troops on both sides, and structural and economic damage that took decades to recover from. That's not winning a war in any sense.
    - guelo 14y ago
      Yea it was really great when we were all macho and didn't give a shit and millions of people died when white guys wanted them to. We should bring that back. /sarcasm
  - nivertech 14y ago
    Gaza is not a sustainable state: 1.6M (2M) on narrow 40km strip. Interesting that population of Gaza exploded from 40K to 1.6-2M in just 3 generations. How many of them refugees and how many migrants from Egypt/Sinai?
- dspeyer 14y ago
  Some squirrels do pick fights with bears. That's what Hamas has been doing for its entire existence. There are enough people who would rather die on their feet than live on their knees. Israel has already demonstrated its strength. Now it needs to convince its enemies that compromise is preferable to death and to convince the first world that its in the right.
- BenoitEssiambre 14y ago
  Wat? Firstly, everybody knows that Israel has vastly superior forces than palestine. This in itself refutes your logic. However secondly, if your country was invaded or occupied, would you surrender and convert to the invaders way of life on the basis of them communicating well that they have superior military strength? I know I wouldn't. A lot of people will side with what is right not what is more powerful and some will do so at the cost of their life. That also easily refuted you, but to add a third argument, this twitter thing means being judged morally by the world. On a moral level, showing strenght pretty much never justifies a violent act. It's quite the opposite. Does it make it okay for a thug or mobster to intimidate or tax people if they have better weapons and strength? Should a man raping a women be pardoned of his act if he showed enough strength that the woman should have complied to his desires in the first place? The type of 'morality' you are advocating here is actually not moral at all. It's the way of thugs and rapists. People behaving this way clearly make the world dysfunctional and violent. Both sides have faults in this conflict but not showing enough strength or employing enough violence is clearly not one for either sides.
  - maratd 14y ago
    > Wat? You're not texting your friends. Write in English. If you don't understand something, ask for someone to explain. Don't assume random nonsense. > Firstly, everybody knows that Israel has vastly superior forces than palestine. This in itself refutes your logic. Yes, of course they have superior forces. They can wipe out everyone in Gaza with a single click of a button. Now, pay attention. It doesn't matter what superior capabilities you have if you refuse to use them. When you do so, you are perceived as weak and it is as if you don't have those capabilities at all. And yes, Israel has refused to use those capabilities. They could level Gaza. Instead, they keep poking it and they keep asking nicely for them to stop shooting rockets.
- nivertech 14y ago
  You are 100% right. The Disengagement plan was sold by Sharon to Israeli citizens: if they will attack us - we'll bomb them just like we bomb in Lebanon, when they start missile attacks. In fact we still handle import/export taxes, provide food and energy to Gaza and can't bomb them same way as in Lebanon, since they considered under Israeli protection by international community. Or atleast this is the reason stated by Israeli minister Katz today on TV. If you have no balls - no Air Force or nukes will help you. If you have no brain and create a terrorist enclave inside your own state - nothing will help you! Let's not forget who helped to create Hamas in the first place. They talking about bombing Iran, but they can't handle terrorists living under their nose in the House of Glass.

by three14 14y ago

maratd 14y ago

> You'd expect the IDF to keep saying things like "We extend our condolences The point of propaganda is to project strength, not to apologize. The reason this conflict exists in the first place, is due to a vast lack of perception of strength on either side. A squirrel doesn't pick a fight with a bear. It just doesn't happen. In short, Israel doesn't have the balls to end this and Hamas doesn't have the means.

guelo 14y ago
The balls to end this? Would that entail the genocide of the 1.6 million people living there?
- maratd 14y ago
  Did the US defeating Japan/Germany/Italy/etc. in WWII involve genocide? I think Western civilization as a whole has completely forgotten how to win wars. Now, they only know how to keep them going for decades. Please spare me your genocide tripe. An overwhelming military victory saves lives in the long run. That's the truth. Constantly wringing your hands and freaking out over every little thing leads to this ridiculous ongoing violence which harms the quality of life for millions on both sides.
  - njs12345 14y ago
    How would you suggest achieving your 'overwhelming military victory' in Afghanistan, or Iraq?
    - maratd 14y ago
      You need to realize what military victory is first. It is the annihilation of the old and the creation of the new. You destroy what you don't like and you create what you do like. In WWII, we weren't terrible fans of fascism. It was annihilated and replaced with Western-style democratic cultural norms and institutions. In the case of Eastern Germany, Poland, etc. it was communism. Regardless, there was never any debate that fascism had to go and what had to be put in place. And there was never any doubt that this must be done with force. Today, the idea of forcing a political system and a way of life onto an occupied territory is unthinkable. As a consequence, victory is not achievable. > How would you suggest achieving your 'overwhelming military victory' in Afghanistan, or Iraq? By a sustained and overwhelming effort to turn the cultures of those regions toward American values. Skip the bombing and the incursions. I would bomb them with DVDs of the Jersey Shore instead. Look up Ataturk for effective strategies of modernizing large tracts of Muslim populations.
  - anthonyb 14y ago
    > I think Western civilization as a whole has completely forgotten how to win wars. Two points here: 1. Guerilla warfare has become a lot more effective in the 20th century. You can't just drive in with tanks any more. 2. Winning wars in the past has been done with horrific casualties to civilians and troops on both sides, and structural and economic damage that took decades to recover from. That's not winning a war in any sense.
  - guelo 14y ago
    Yea it was really great when we were all macho and didn't give a shit and millions of people died when white guys wanted them to. We should bring that back. /sarcasm
- nivertech 14y ago
  Gaza is not a sustainable state: 1.6M (2M) on narrow 40km strip. Interesting that population of Gaza exploded from 40K to 1.6-2M in just 3 generations. How many of them refugees and how many migrants from Egypt/Sinai?
dspeyer 14y ago
Some squirrels do pick fights with bears. That's what Hamas has been doing for its entire existence. There are enough people who would rather die on their feet than live on their knees. Israel has already demonstrated its strength. Now it needs to convince its enemies that compromise is preferable to death and to convince the first world that its in the right.
BenoitEssiambre 14y ago
Wat? Firstly, everybody knows that Israel has vastly superior forces than palestine. This in itself refutes your logic. However secondly, if your country was invaded or occupied, would you surrender and convert to the invaders way of life on the basis of them communicating well that they have superior military strength? I know I wouldn't. A lot of people will side with what is right not what is more powerful and some will do so at the cost of their life. That also easily refuted you, but to add a third argument, this twitter thing means being judged morally by the world. On a moral level, showing strenght pretty much never justifies a violent act. It's quite the opposite. Does it make it okay for a thug or mobster to intimidate or tax people if they have better weapons and strength? Should a man raping a women be pardoned of his act if he showed enough strength that the woman should have complied to his desires in the first place? The type of 'morality' you are advocating here is actually not moral at all. It's the way of thugs and rapists. People behaving this way clearly make the world dysfunctional and violent. Both sides have faults in this conflict but not showing enough strength or employing enough violence is clearly not one for either sides.
- maratd 14y ago
  > Wat? You're not texting your friends. Write in English. If you don't understand something, ask for someone to explain. Don't assume random nonsense. > Firstly, everybody knows that Israel has vastly superior forces than palestine. This in itself refutes your logic. Yes, of course they have superior forces. They can wipe out everyone in Gaza with a single click of a button. Now, pay attention. It doesn't matter what superior capabilities you have if you refuse to use them. When you do so, you are perceived as weak and it is as if you don't have those capabilities at all. And yes, Israel has refused to use those capabilities. They could level Gaza. Instead, they keep poking it and they keep asking nicely for them to stop shooting rockets.
nivertech 14y ago
You are 100% right. The Disengagement plan was sold by Sharon to Israeli citizens: if they will attack us - we'll bomb them just like we bomb in Lebanon, when they start missile attacks. In fact we still handle import/export taxes, provide food and energy to Gaza and can't bomb them same way as in Lebanon, since they considered under Israeli protection by international community. Or atleast this is the reason stated by Israeli minister Katz today on TV. If you have no balls - no Air Force or nukes will help you. If you have no brain and create a terrorist enclave inside your own state - nothing will help you! Let's not forget who helped to create Hamas in the first place. They talking about bombing Iran, but they can't handle terrorists living under their nose in the House of Glass.