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Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had bee

Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had been stopped in Czechoslovakia?

gib444 5mo ago
> Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? Yes. https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america...
- latexr 5mo ago
  You are completely ignoring the argument of your parent comment. They are saying that money is being spent to the benefit and best interest of the spenders, that it’s not a handout. You are, of course, free to disagree and make your point, but ignoring the argument does not advance the discussion.
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crotobloste 5mo ago
> Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? Factually correct. > We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. Who's we? > How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had been stopped in Czechoslovakia? Very different situation, in all aspects.
- collinfunk 5mo ago
  You see zero similarities between Hitler invading Poland and Putin invading Ukraine?
  - roenxi 5mo ago
    There are some pretty substantial differences. Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Hitler was more about wanting more land and resources for Germany, and he saw war as being a legitimate tool for achieving his aims that he deployed early and enthusiastically.
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    - wiseowise 5mo ago
      > Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Is that why Russians rejected negotiations when Ukraine offered to never join NATO and Russians insist on keeping invaded territories?
    - defrost 5mo ago
      NATO has advanced into which part of Russia?
      - roenxi 5mo ago
        Not Russia, Eastern Europe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO
        defrost 5mo ago
        So, NATO hasn't advanced into Russia then? Just Russia advancing into the Ukraine (after promising not to if the USSR nukes were given to Russia)? Gotcha.

Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had been stopped in Czechoslovakia?

gib444 5mo ago

> Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? Yes. https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america...

latexr 5mo ago
You are completely ignoring the argument of your parent comment. They are saying that money is being spent to the benefit and best interest of the spenders, that it’s not a handout. You are, of course, free to disagree and make your point, but ignoring the argument does not advance the discussion.
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crotobloste 5mo ago

> Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? Factually correct. > We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. Who's we? > How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had been stopped in Czechoslovakia? Very different situation, in all aspects.

collinfunk 5mo ago
You see zero similarities between Hitler invading Poland and Putin invading Ukraine?
- roenxi 5mo ago
  There are some pretty substantial differences. Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Hitler was more about wanting more land and resources for Germany, and he saw war as being a legitimate tool for achieving his aims that he deployed early and enthusiastically.
  - 8954789543547 5mo ago
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  - wiseowise 5mo ago
    > Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Is that why Russians rejected negotiations when Ukraine offered to never join NATO and Russians insist on keeping invaded territories?
  - defrost 5mo ago
    NATO has advanced into which part of Russia?
    - roenxi 5mo ago
      Not Russia, Eastern Europe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO
      - defrost 5mo ago
        So, NATO hasn't advanced into Russia then? Just Russia advancing into the Ukraine (after promising not to if the USSR nukes were given to Russia)? Gotcha.