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> I run engineering teams in Ukraine. My people lived the other side of this equation. Not the factory floor. The receiving end. With all due respect, but many

> I run engineering teams in Ukraine. My people lived the other side of this equation. Not the factory floor. The receiving end. With all due respect, but many european taxpayers help pay for Ukraine. I am not disagreeing on the premise of the West killing itself via systematic recessions - Trump invading Iran leading to inflation as an example - so a lot of things are going on that show a ton of incompetency both in the USA and the EU, but at the same time I also get question marks in my eyes when this criticism comes from a country that receives money from others. That money could instead go to make EU countries more competitive, for instance. I am not saying this should necessarily be the case, mind you; I fully understand the nature of Putin's imperialism. But we need to really consider all factors when it comes to strategic mistakes with regards to production - and that includes taking up debts all the time. There are always a few who benefit in war, just as they benefit from subsidies from taxpayers (inside and outside as well).

skhr0680 5mo ago
Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had been stopped in Czechoslovakia?
- gib444 5mo ago
  > Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? Yes. https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america...
  - latexr 5mo ago
    You are completely ignoring the argument of your parent comment. They are saying that money is being spent to the benefit and best interest of the spenders, that it’s not a handout. You are, of course, free to disagree and make your point, but ignoring the argument does not advance the discussion.
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- crotobloste 5mo ago
  > Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? Factually correct. > We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. Who's we? > How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had been stopped in Czechoslovakia? Very different situation, in all aspects.
  - collinfunk 5mo ago
    You see zero similarities between Hitler invading Poland and Putin invading Ukraine?
    - roenxi 5mo ago
      There are some pretty substantial differences. Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Hitler was more about wanting more land and resources for Germany, and he saw war as being a legitimate tool for achieving his aims that he deployed early and enthusiastically.
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      - wiseowise 5mo ago
        > Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Is that why Russians rejected negotiations when Ukraine offered to never join NATO and Russians insist on keeping invaded territories?
      - defrost 5mo ago
        NATO has advanced into which part of Russia?

skhr0680 5mo ago

Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had been stopped in Czechoslovakia?

gib444 5mo ago
> Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? Yes. https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america...
- latexr 5mo ago
  You are completely ignoring the argument of your parent comment. They are saying that money is being spent to the benefit and best interest of the spenders, that it’s not a handout. You are, of course, free to disagree and make your point, but ignoring the argument does not advance the discussion.
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crotobloste 5mo ago
> Ukraine is "receiving money from others"? Factually correct. > We are benefactors of the Ukrainians' bravery and sacrifices. Who's we? > How much money could we have not spent if Hitler had been stopped in Czechoslovakia? Very different situation, in all aspects.
- collinfunk 5mo ago
  You see zero similarities between Hitler invading Poland and Putin invading Ukraine?
  - roenxi 5mo ago
    There are some pretty substantial differences. Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Hitler was more about wanting more land and resources for Germany, and he saw war as being a legitimate tool for achieving his aims that he deployed early and enthusiastically.
    - 8954789543547 5mo ago
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    - wiseowise 5mo ago
      > Russia is on the strategic back foot here trying to figure out a way to stop NATO's advance. They've only turned to violence after long attempts at resolving the tension diplomatically and the US has been implacable. Putin's actually been pretty hesitant in his escalations so far; he's 70 and has a long history of trying to avoid war. Is that why Russians rejected negotiations when Ukraine offered to never join NATO and Russians insist on keeping invaded territories?
    - defrost 5mo ago
      NATO has advanced into which part of Russia?