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Your feelings do kind of matter, but you're putting the cart way before the horse. Let me try to open your eyes: > Nov. 4, 1979 Iran took fifty two American's

Your feelings do kind of matter, but you're putting the cart way before the horse. Let me try to open your eyes: > Nov. 4, 1979 Iran took fifty two American's hostage and held them for 444 days. That was 47 years ago, yet this act still burns in your memory. For Iran, it was 26 years prior that the US & Great Britain replaced their democratically elected primer minister Mossadegh with a tyrannical monarch. Why? Because the US was afraid of Iran 'turning red' and for cheap oil. When the king of Iran publicly toughened his stance on oil and the Israel lobby (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RH2wXQtFdo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RH2wXQtFdo), the US in response did nothing to stop Khomeini from taking over. When Iranian students took the US embassy, embassy staff was actively shredding documents proving US' role in the 1953 coup. The Iranians dropped mountains of shredded docs into elementary schools and asked the kids to 'solve the puzzle,' which they did. The US didn't acknowledge its role in the coup until Obama threw them an olive branch during his second term. If the embassy takeover was that bad, then maybe you should be upset at Reagan for working out a secret deal with the mullah to NOT release the hostages in order to make President Carter look weak, which cost Carter the election. The hostages were released minutes after Reagan was sworn in. In exchange, Reagan sold weapons to these muslim 'america-haters.' I've never seen Republicans upset at Reagan for selling weapons to Iran, have you? > call for my and my families deaths and the destruction of my civilization my entire life Words matter, actions matter more. The US supported the monarchy for years when it was killing and torturing Iranians. The US funded and armed Saddam against to kill Iranians between 1980 and 1988, including with chemical weapons. In 1988, the US shot down an Iranian passenger plane 655. Iranian families have lost many more people to the US than vice versa. That's probably why you've "never seen huge protests in the US calling for Iranian deaths." You also might not know that post-9/11, Iran's moderate Khatami government and the US worked closely together in special operations in Afghanistan. That's because Iran had nothing to do with 9/11 and were in fact natural enemies of the Sunnis who did 9/11. That is, until George W. Bush was instructed by his team to include Iran in the "axis of evil." In response to Bush, the mullahs ensured that the next president was equally tough (Ahmadinejad). When Obama was elected, the Iran chose the moderate Rouhani to make a deal. I looked, but couldn't find one instance of Iran chanting 'death to america' before Bush's 'axis of evil' comment. Hopefully you can appreciate why your feelings don't trump the ground truth.

_DeadFred_ 6mo ago
"I looked, but couldn't find one instance of Iran chanting 'death to america' before Bush's 'axis of evil' comment." Ah, I'm a liar, they didn't say it? That is your ground truth? I didn't actually grow up in fear, fear caused by Iran's actions (historical context or not) and calls for revenge killing America? I must have imagined them saying it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America "Ruhollah Khomeini, the first supreme leader of Iran, popularized the term." And before you bring up the bullshit 'English interpretation' Iran makes the same call for Israel normally immediately after calling for death to the USA, and Iran is very explicate they want Israel's destruction. So don't project some definition on the first half that doesn't fit 'death to American death to Israel' knowing Iran want's Israels death actual. They held those people for over 400 days. Religious leaders, especially supreme ones, should not call for the death of entire societies. 10 years olds should not be giving the context for why it is OK to call for them, their families, everyone they knows death and destruction by supreme religious leaders and told 'actually, they are justified in their calls to revenge kill you, so relax'.
- pazimzadeh 6mo ago
  I said "I looked but couldn't find it." If you think that's calling you a liar then you have big problems. I grant that you were right on that point, I was wrong. Cool. You sound like you know a lot about Persian rhetoric. Maybe you speak Farsi? No, then where are you getting this information? Are you aware there was a cooling of US-Iran relations during the presidency of Khatami? You'd be aware if you read what I wrote earlier. I assume that you're equally upset when the wife of the 'democracy-loving' 'crown prince of Iran' says "Death to the Left"? Are you going to address anything else that I mentioned, or do you just do selective rebuttals? > They held those people for over 400 days. And? 200-500k Iranians died during the Iran-Iraq war, supported by the US. 290 civilians died when Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down. Let me repeat a few things for you that you ignored. Embassy staff was destroying evidence of the 1953 coup when the embassy was taken, and the US didn't admit to its role in the coup until 2009. But you trust everything Steve Witkoff says right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z_CIA_cable_from_American_Embassy_Tehran.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z... You don't care that Reagan had a deal with the mullahs to keep those 400 Americans hostage? You don't care that Reagan & Republicans sold weapons to Iran, which apparently definitely wants to murder your parents and grandparents and your best friends? You don't care that the US helped Saddam invade and gassing Iranian cities, villages, and civilians because Iran held Americans hostage for 444 days? Are you ok?

_DeadFred_ 6mo ago

"I looked, but couldn't find one instance of Iran chanting 'death to america' before Bush's 'axis of evil' comment." Ah, I'm a liar, they didn't say it? That is your ground truth? I didn't actually grow up in fear, fear caused by Iran's actions (historical context or not) and calls for revenge killing America? I must have imagined them saying it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America "Ruhollah Khomeini, the first supreme leader of Iran, popularized the term." And before you bring up the bullshit 'English interpretation' Iran makes the same call for Israel normally immediately after calling for death to the USA, and Iran is very explicate they want Israel's destruction. So don't project some definition on the first half that doesn't fit 'death to American death to Israel' knowing Iran want's Israels death actual. They held those people for over 400 days. Religious leaders, especially supreme ones, should not call for the death of entire societies. 10 years olds should not be giving the context for why it is OK to call for them, their families, everyone they knows death and destruction by supreme religious leaders and told 'actually, they are justified in their calls to revenge kill you, so relax'.

pazimzadeh 6mo ago
I said "I looked but couldn't find it." If you think that's calling you a liar then you have big problems. I grant that you were right on that point, I was wrong. Cool. You sound like you know a lot about Persian rhetoric. Maybe you speak Farsi? No, then where are you getting this information? Are you aware there was a cooling of US-Iran relations during the presidency of Khatami? You'd be aware if you read what I wrote earlier. I assume that you're equally upset when the wife of the 'democracy-loving' 'crown prince of Iran' says "Death to the Left"? Are you going to address anything else that I mentioned, or do you just do selective rebuttals? > They held those people for over 400 days. And? 200-500k Iranians died during the Iran-Iraq war, supported by the US. 290 civilians died when Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down. Let me repeat a few things for you that you ignored. Embassy staff was destroying evidence of the 1953 coup when the embassy was taken, and the US didn't admit to its role in the coup until 2009. But you trust everything Steve Witkoff says right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z_CIA_cable_from_American_Embassy_Tehran.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z... You don't care that Reagan had a deal with the mullahs to keep those 400 Americans hostage? You don't care that Reagan & Republicans sold weapons to Iran, which apparently definitely wants to murder your parents and grandparents and your best friends? You don't care that the US helped Saddam invade and gassing Iranian cities, villages, and civilians because Iran held Americans hostage for 444 days? Are you ok?