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> Just grow your own tobacco, cure it, process it, and roll your own cigarettes. Just grow your own grapes, ferment them, distill them, and bottle your own whi

> Just grow your own tobacco, cure it, process it, and roll your own cigarettes. Just grow your own grapes, ferment them, distill them, and bottle your own whiskey. Just raise your own cattle, slaughter them, butcher them, and prepare your own steak. Just raise your own cows, milk them, pasteurize the milk, and produce your own cheese.

vrganj 6mo ago
Yeah, or... don't. But don't expect other people to make everything easy for you. If you really want to, you can. Laziness is not an excuse.
kelseyfrog 6mo ago
There's no natural right to be sold a product. It simply doesn't exist in reality, not part of the universe, and antithetical to natural law. I could demand you sell me your clothes. Just as absurd.
- card_zero 6mo ago
  Do you think property rights exist in reality? This quality of naturalness is tricky for me to get to grips with, but property rights are very basic, so they surely are part of the universe, right? The point of this question is that I own my clothes, but the government does not own the tobacco. Unless you think the government owns everything.
  - kelseyfrog 6mo ago
    Show me the thermometer-equivalent that measures ownership. Ownership is a fabrication of human mind. If it was part of the universe we would be able to devise an instrument that mesures it. We've done a very good job of reifiying it and telling people that it's part of the natural order, but humans are very very good at constructing ontologies and forgetting they are the authors.
mmarian 6mo ago
Just let the taxpayer funded healthcare system deal with the burden. See how you can go the other way too if you want to be objective :)
- 6510 6mo ago
  Not sure what you mean. Here smokers pay much more taxes than non smokers and they require much less health care.
- justsomehnguy 6mo ago
  A country with 1M of an everyday smokers and a tax of $1 per pack would get $1M a day in the tobacco tax. There is a $365M oops 365 days in the year.
  - mmarian 6mo ago
    Just Googled "cost of smokers in UK", and first result I got - total annual economic cost of £46B, for England alone https://ash.org.uk/media-centre/news/press-releases/latest-figures-show-cost-of-smoking-in-england-up-25-to-at-least-21-8-billion https://ash.org.uk/media-centre/news/press-releases/latest-f...
    - justsomehnguy 6mo ago
      At least you could had try to find the numbers not from a very opionated source. But anyway, $20B / 30M smokers give only $666/person. A $2 tax per pack covers it with a proficit.
6510 6mo ago
Cant, peasants aren't allowed to own land because it would be bad for the economy. But I like the idea, no meat for people born after 2009. Driving a car is also bad for the air. Cycling is much better.
defrost 6mo ago
Done all three, in complete honesty. To be fair, you've left out * Just build your own furnaces and make your own glass [check] * Build your own aircraft [check] * Fell trees for firewood and lumber [check] * Make your own spear and catch your own food [check] etc.

vrganj 6mo ago

Yeah, or... don't. But don't expect other people to make everything easy for you. If you really want to, you can. Laziness is not an excuse.

kelseyfrog 6mo ago

There's no natural right to be sold a product. It simply doesn't exist in reality, not part of the universe, and antithetical to natural law. I could demand you sell me your clothes. Just as absurd.

card_zero 6mo ago
Do you think property rights exist in reality? This quality of naturalness is tricky for me to get to grips with, but property rights are very basic, so they surely are part of the universe, right? The point of this question is that I own my clothes, but the government does not own the tobacco. Unless you think the government owns everything.
- kelseyfrog 6mo ago
  Show me the thermometer-equivalent that measures ownership. Ownership is a fabrication of human mind. If it was part of the universe we would be able to devise an instrument that mesures it. We've done a very good job of reifiying it and telling people that it's part of the natural order, but humans are very very good at constructing ontologies and forgetting they are the authors.

mmarian 6mo ago

Just let the taxpayer funded healthcare system deal with the burden. See how you can go the other way too if you want to be objective :)

6510 6mo ago
Not sure what you mean. Here smokers pay much more taxes than non smokers and they require much less health care.
justsomehnguy 6mo ago
A country with 1M of an everyday smokers and a tax of $1 per pack would get $1M a day in the tobacco tax. There is a $365M oops 365 days in the year.
- mmarian 6mo ago
  Just Googled "cost of smokers in UK", and first result I got - total annual economic cost of £46B, for England alone https://ash.org.uk/media-centre/news/press-releases/latest-figures-show-cost-of-smoking-in-england-up-25-to-at-least-21-8-billion https://ash.org.uk/media-centre/news/press-releases/latest-f...
  - justsomehnguy 6mo ago
    At least you could had try to find the numbers not from a very opionated source. But anyway, $20B / 30M smokers give only $666/person. A $2 tax per pack covers it with a proficit.

6510 6mo ago

Cant, peasants aren't allowed to own land because it would be bad for the economy. But I like the idea, no meat for people born after 2009. Driving a car is also bad for the air. Cycling is much better.

defrost 6mo ago

Done all three, in complete honesty. To be fair, you've left out * Just build your own furnaces and make your own glass [check] * Build your own aircraft [check] * Fell trees for firewood and lumber [check] * Make your own spear and catch your own food [check] etc.